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10-23-2010 , 09:00 AM
Do you think these type of hands are good to play live? Straights go way up in multiway pots and the games which i play are mega multiway.

By play i mean relimp a number of limpers and flat raises if not so big and multiway.

Or do you think this is just burning money?
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10-23-2010 , 09:15 AM
It depends on the game..

If there are a lot of limpers and they play passive I dont mind seeing a flop with these hands for 2$ in MP+ position, kinda a fit or fold

there are other games that there is always a raise pre, there is action on the flop and it will cost you to see your run-down type hand

Knitty limphappy game- go for it

Good action game- not so much
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10-23-2010 , 09:27 AM
It depends on too many factors to give a generalized answer.

Post a specific situation (Hand History) and the forum will go through it. For a detailed analysis (and read more than the OP, there's good stuff behind it), read this COTW.
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10-23-2010 , 09:49 AM
I dont have a hand to post sorry. I just mean in general. The games i play in are quite passive so lots of limped pots.

I think alphakenny summed up what i already thought. Thanks guys
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10-23-2010 , 12:21 PM
I can give an answered based on my stats.

I track my play live as best I can, with a journal. I record my key winning and losing hands per session and over several months of play, I noticed a pattern.

A significant portion of my losses where from playing bs garbage hands like 76o or 97o

Now, there were different reasons: trying to rep a hand, trying (unsuccessfully) to use my image, chasing, running into better draws, etc.

Now, those losses weren't anything big. It wasn't like i'm stacking off trying to bluff. Yet, I was bleeding a lot of chips. 8BB here, 7BB there, another 12BB there and 9BB here... and over the course of an hour, I'd bleed 40BB+ playing garbage.

So I stopped doing it and noticed an almost IMMEDIATE improvement in the consistancy of my win rate. Once I stopped doing it, I noticed that my chip stack grew more evenly. Before, it was a constant see-saw rollercoaster down up down up down up...

And that was because I was bleeding way too many chips trying to flop gin with complete garbage.

My advice is that you don't limp with garbage offsuit connectors. The frequency of those kinds of cards are much higher than the frequency of playable hands. Thus, you feel like you are only calling a few times when in reality, you can be calling/playing that crap twice an orbit easy. And then, an hour or two passes and you're down 75BB wondering where it all went.
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10-23-2010 , 01:52 PM
I love playing these hands. The key is that you have to steal with them post flop or get free cards. PF, I almost never overlimp, I come in for a raise to seize the initiative and narrow the field. If your raise fails to narrow the field, then you can often get a free turn as the villains "check to the raiser". When they hit, it is often well hidden and you can win a big pot.
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10-23-2010 , 02:30 PM
I guess my thoughts are that we get enough suited connectors-gappers and playable hands that I just really don't see the benefit of playing garbage connectors.

You start playing garbage connectors-gappers. And before you know it, you are one of those fish who play 70% of your hands.
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10-23-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
I guess my thoughts are that we get enough suited connectors-gappers and playable hands that I just really don't see the benefit of playing garbage connectors.

You start playing garbage connectors-gappers. And before you know it, you are one of those fish who play 70% of your hands.
Bingo. I had sessions of doubling my stack or better early, and then bleeding it away trying to flop gin against the fish, rather than playing patient and smart. Immediate improvement in my winrate when I tightened up and eliminated the garbage.
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