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Playing a straight on the flop vs. multiple villians Playing a straight on the flop vs. multiple villians

01-16-2014 , 03:19 PM
2-100 SL table. I'm playing TAG, established a decent image at the table, picked up several pots doing nothing but ABC, taken a couple river weak 2-pair suckouts. Not slowplaying, not doing anything particularily tricky except 1 hand where I check/called trips after a turn check raise (legitimately worried about a boat the way my opponent played it, but he was just betting air).

Hand:
V1--UTG has been at the table for a while, not playing a lot of hands at all. He limps, so I figure he's got a half-way decent hand.
V2--MP is relatively new to the table, giving off an aggro vibe, raises to 12. I don't weigh a lot of decision making on physical tells but his hand is shaking like crazy and I'm fairly sure he has a bustable high pair AA or KK in his hand.

Folds around to hero on the button, with 56 hearts. Hero calls.

V1 calls.

Flop:
874 Dream flop.

V1 bets 12.
V2 raises to 30 like he just married his pocket aces.

Here my options feel like:
A) biggish value bet to get rid of V1/iso V2
B) Min/smallish-raise to try to keep V1 around/induce a 4-bet from V2
C) call and hope for V1 to overcall to get more action out of him on turn.

I feel like V1 must have flopped something to bet considering how conservative he's played, and seriously, V2's hand is so obvious he might as well be playing it face up.

So, what would you do in this spot? Any options I missed?

Does the $100 betting cap change my strategy at all?
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01-16-2014 , 03:28 PM
Absolute must to know how deep everyone is before answering anything else.
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01-16-2014 , 03:31 PM
Assuming we're ~100+ BBs effective, B. You want to re-open the betting here and get V2 to charge the F out of V's "obvious draw." Plus if you raise here and V1 folds, V2 will be much less likely to shut down on a heart, thus killing your action.
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01-16-2014 , 03:47 PM
You would hate to see any heart on the board as it will kill the action. Your hand is the nuts lets get it in with great equity and run it out now. Why make more decision later that could be wrong bc of missing info?
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01-16-2014 , 03:55 PM
God, sorry guys, I'm a flake.

V1 is at about 100BB
V2 just sat with about 350BB
Hero sitting on 250-300BB
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01-16-2014 , 04:03 PM
I make it 75-80, give V1 a chance to call and then hopefully have V2 shove for a picture perfect scenario.


Edit - missed the cap bet limit, eh still raise it up to 75-80 and then on turn and river go buckwild on V2
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01-16-2014 , 04:49 PM
You don't think 75-80 is at the upper end of the value bet range? Pot's at $81 when action comes to hero after V2 raises the flop.

I guess I can say I was never really considering option C as opportunities to extract value get pretty thin especially in a 2-100 SL game but what move do I make to (hopefully) get paid the most here, or is the difference in EV between options A and B pretty marginal?
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01-16-2014 , 05:01 PM
I should also say that as someone who's gotten a lot more serious about my NL cash/SL game in the past year or so (after years of just playing limit and tournaments) that playing hands with multiple villains is an area I'm really focused on improving.
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01-16-2014 , 05:58 PM
Were obviously playing for stacks and alot of turn cards may kill our action. Im happy to reraise to ~80 here and look to GII.

V2 is not folding for sure.
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01-16-2014 , 05:59 PM
Clearly cap your whole raising range, what happens next?
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01-16-2014 , 06:22 PM
Since I'm still a noob, at what point do I spoil this?

Now, I guess.

Spoiler:
I 3-bet to 80. V1 folded. V2 said "Why so much?" then called. Check bet max on turn & river (stupid SL) both blanks. When I turned over the straight V2 said, "What is that?" then spent the next 12 hands asking me how much he could have bet preflop to not get a button call with suited connectors. "I dunno, man, I'm playing pretty deep."
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01-16-2014 , 06:24 PM
nope, there isn't much difference math wise between bombing raising small and calling, mainly because half the cards kill your action or make better hands and half of them stack you, so to max value you have to develop reads and predict whether they will pay off now or later and it can be pretty tricky and it's easy to make the wrong choice, depends on how they view you

if you can get away with flatting without them thinking you are that strong, you can make a little more, but since this guy is "married to AA" just bomb
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01-16-2014 , 06:26 PM
I have to raise here, the question is how much?

I want us to gii, so I'd like to see a little bit of an overbet, I'd go as high as 90 here. I think it will make it look like we are drawing rather than a made hand and could potentially (hopefully) get them to commit.
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