1/2. Table is loose-passive. Seven of the nine players open-limp and limp-call, and hands almost all go three to four way. Many players are raising only 2x pre.

V (48, 198), loose passive, had one black and two greens hidden behind his cup. I thought he had 48 when in fact he had 198. In a previous hand, he called AQs preflop in the CO and showed it down to lose. He is limping a lot and calling pre. He hasn’t yet 3bet.

Hero is TAG, covers V.

OTTH

Hero opens UTG to 10 with QdQh, V in MP raises to 40. Hero tank-calls…he’s actually considering folding but didn’t after seeing (wrongly) that hero had only 8 chips left. V had been slouching all night, even when he played AQs. Now he’s erect, looking down on the table and at his cards—like he’s already all-in pre with a premium hand and is ready to watch the fun.

Flop (75 after rake): 888

Hero checks. V bets 90. Hero folds.

Hero checks upswingpoker immediately after the hand: preflop QQ is always a 4bet oop, and at these stack sizes, QQ calls every 5bet too. So I probably played this hand wrong. But V’s call in a previous hand with AQs, his 4x 3bet in this hand, his posture, and his over-bet on flop all suggested so strongly to me he had KK-AA that I played passively and folded. What are your opinions?

It may be fine or just fold to 3! in a 1/2 game depending on reads. Upswing ranges are irrelevant against donks who don't 3! light.

High denomination chips must be in front and not behind a cup. I would bring that to his attention, and if necessary dealer and then floor.

Uhh the more I think about it the more I like your fold here, if this guy is not 3! AQs what range he even has here.. and if he had AK he probably wouldn't overbet flop
And also agree that UpSwing is useless pretty much as it calculates actions based on the optimal or somewhat optimal ranges, which is not the case here

Are those 9 handed charts? Because there's a huge difference between UTG responses 6 handed and 9 handed.

Eg. for 100bb

6 handed: UTG open; CO 3bet; UTG 4bets QQ over 50% of the time
9 handed: UTG open; MP 3bet; UTG call QQ 100% of the time

But, this is all misleading because 9 handed robot MP is 3betting almost his entire range, with a small amount of calls from QQ/AQs and dust calls of JJ/TT//AJs/ATs/54s/65s (and just folding over 50% of TT, and almost all 99-)
So if V isn't 3betting 100% with KJs/KTs/A5s and 50% with K9s/K6s/A7s ... the responses are going to be off.

has to be a parody account

If you were sure he had AA/KK why did you call pre?

Over bet on lockdown 888 flop is not really consistent with AA btw…seems like a bet that says “go away”.

yeah, def don't follow charts. Bet and play against ranges instead. Charts don't take into consideration that everyone plays different. They can be used as a base line, but their actual range should take precedence over what the chart/GTO says to do.

For someone who flats AQ pre and limp/calls a lot, his range should be extremely narrow there. Folding pre was also fine, you opened UTG, and he raised from MP for the first time that we saw (strong range vs stronger range).

This is fine. You don't have to call flop just because you called preflop. The large sizing can easily be a big pair going for max value against a smaller overpair, this is all very situation dependent but if all the evidence points to this being AA/KK then you can fold. That doesn't mean that calling down would be bad.

It was the over bet on the flop that added the evidence to convince me to fold. I have no answer for why I called pre except that I thought he had had only 8 left when in fact he had 158. After trying to play well, my second goal in the casino is gambling for fun. A small -ev decision is still cheaper than the taco I had for dinner.

After the hand, I told myself a call pre was maybe OK, because a fit-or-fold player checks back 888 with AK, a major part of his range. Assessing all the different opinions about a decision in a hand history is challenging enough for me after considering them for days. How pros make these decisions so quickly in the moment, I don't know. Maybe they are better at playing poker than I?

One result: Lady next to me said she would have won that half-hour's high hand. She said folded J8. It made me feel better that V had only have the JJ in the deck.

Did he show JJ?

Having the big chips behind a cup is a major rule violation.

He didn't show. I don't think he intended to hide his chips. They were obscured by the angle. I was in seat 4, he was in seat 7. Everyone in seats 1-3 and 8-9 could see his chips. Seat 6 would just have to look over his cup. Seat 5 probably had an obstructed view as well.