so i go into the casino the other night and sit down at the 1/2 NL game at the local casino and find out within 30 min that the entire table is tighter than i am. theyre all sitting there playing for the money and are waiting for top 10 hands. i try to loosen up my range but within 30 min i continually get 3 betted by people in better position.

is there any way to beat these games where the entire table is full of nits or should i just leave and try to find another game?

How deep are the stacks? This alters my strategy somewhat.

If there isn't a better game then I open raise and 3 bet a huge range and show all my bluffs early...can work wonders to open up a game. Don't be scared to lose some chips to make more chips later. 3 bet often with position to isolate and take down small pots hu. Overbet any multiway pots that are limped to you in any position. Straddle and overbet when it's limped to you multi-way. Use it as an opportunity to develop your game and play a larger range of cards vs transparent hands. You'll be surprised how strong a tool 3-betting light with position is at low limits vs the right players and it will likely make you enjoy the game more as well. Control the table, get people to play back at you or just be satisfied with small pots. If that doesn't work and there isn't a better table then I'd just leave and play another day.

All this works better in deeper games.

thx a lot for the advice man! great tips for me to try, to be honest im not gonna be back to that game anytime soon, theres plenty of better ones in other places. i agree with mostly everything u said except a couple things.

#1 y do u say to overbet limped pots that are checked around to me? nits love to limp with small pp's and then check the flop when they hit their set. overbetting to win that small pot seems like a losing bet to me.

#2 i tried to 3 bet in position as much as i could but these guys were only opening with top 10 hands and every time i 3 bet i was gettin called and then check called the entire way down.

please help me out with those 2 questions

Get away from these games as fast as possible, Table selection is one of the most underrated and important parts of cash games.

if you play with nits youll never make money unless its becomes set over set or some ****, and then you gotta hope u have the higher hand.

Im maybe wrong, but I can never understand this strategy.
Show your bluffs and make people think you are crazy, and they still respect your bets?

Oh yeah...ask for a table change.

No. He's saying..

Show your bluffs early, and then tighten up so you get called when you get a hand.

#1 I was talking preflop

#2 So how often are they entering pots? Sounds like it comes to you unopened really often if they are waiting for top 10 hands?

Obv table change would be best but I giving advice if you don't have any other game options.

If your goal is to make money and there are no other tables then you don't play.

raise every hand and show bluffs.... then they will start trying to out play you.... tighten up and you will be the tightest player on the table.. while everyone thinks your the loosest

-jack

You have mis-labeled these people. They are not nits. They are calling stations. Most of us would love to play against them.

If you can't figure out how to beat a table full of nits then you need to develop some gears

Just sit there till it changes

my advice would be to get as deep stacked as possible and try to stack someone off with garbage. let them play nitty, but eventually they will ship it w/ an overpair against you ragged 2 pair.

Tell them the game needs to loosen up a bit and try to get a straddle going, if everyone agrees (not always easy to get this done) that usually helps.

u still have en edge if u r a winning player. I just continue to play my normal game, but i expect my hourly to be lower in these games

if they are nits you can steal numerous pots uncontested. its hard to make a hand. i

f you are continually getting 3bet then the table isnt nitty. just because people only show down the nuts doesnt mean they are nits, it likely means they are solid players.

and how much do you really know in an hour. lets be real

Play like a maniac for a while, showdown bluffs, straddle, then value town.

cant figure it out? beating a table full of tight agressive dealers that have been playing the game for many years is tough to do. i generalized their label to put them into more of an understandable category for the forum to understand, but these guys are all tough players. the reason i started the thread was because i wanted to see if there was a surefire way to beat these guys but i really dont think there is and its probably not very profitable to be playing at the game

That wasn't a response to you.

If they aren't nits but are tough players then that is a different problem.

I've never seen a game filled with dealers that was tough but I will trust you

The problem with this is that you are relying on getting hands.

there is no sure fire way to beat anyone unless they do exactly the same thing over and over again. if the game is full of competent TAG players it is not going to be very profitable unless you are able to play a competent LAG style. not comfortable 3-betting a merged range in position and 4-betting a polarized one in a live game? whelp, play one of the other hundreds of soft games going on at any given time in this glorious nation!

TAG poker is considered the "best" style to play not because it is the most profitable, but because it is the least exploitable. this is not to say it is unexploitable it just cant be hard to pull that trigger especially live when people can look right at you.

Whats wrong with nits?

Only raise with JJ/AK+ in EP
Open pots with q8s+, k7s+, axs+, a8o+, 22+ in position.
semi bluff more
steal more
ship pots

Obviously there is some doubts as to the validity of the OPs labels but if your game is really full of NITS you simply will not beat it for a significant amount. Unbeatable, perhaps not, but the idea you can just steal 10BB an hour at a 9 or ten handed table is LOL. You beat nits for a tiny amount over a huge sample. OK online, terrible live.

Just smashing in 3 bets and bluffs against tight ranges = you going broke.

A nits limping range has a lot of lower pp's. From LP, raise a wide range. The nits will call and c/f to your c-bet a huge % of the time. Size your c-bets to get the job done based on flop texture. You don't have to bet a lot on the flop. You can win a lot of small pots this way. If you get called, you have to evaluate the turn and know your nits tendencies vs dbl barrel. I would probably shut it down on the turn. If the nit checks the river, you may be able to bluff the river in position.

This is terrible. You don't want to 3bet vs such a strong narrow range. I think you can flat in position hands that play well vs their range. I usually find that nits at low limits overvalue TPTK and overpairs. So you probably have implied odds vs their range. Postflop, you can evaluate how their range hits the flop and look for spots to steal the pot. Frequently, you can take the pot away in position postflop.

I usually try to play lag preflop to cultivate an image and get the nits to play back. The usual adjustment is for the nits to call more. When they starting opening their range vs you while you have position, you win. This doesn't always happen.

Playing at this table will not make you a lot of money. So probably best to look for another table.