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Playing draws vs loose players and/or stations OOP Playing draws vs loose players and/or stations OOP

08-01-2019 , 09:33 AM
I know there is no cookbook for how to play any broad situation in NLHE, but that in general the rule of thumb is to play draws more passively IP and more aggressively OOP. However, I was wondering how playing OOP changes when pur opponents are overly loose and/or stationary opponents.

In Sklansky's new book, he brings up the point that in loose games we should tighten up our semi bluffs and loosen up our value range, but loosen up our semi bluffing range and tighten up our value betting range in tight games. Does this mean playing our draws passively or just folding them OOP in loose games?

For all of the following examples we are 100 BB deep I'm in a 1/2 game and hero has a TAG image

Example 1: Station playing 90%ish of his hands and calling almost all raises or just shoving to a raise limps UTG, tight passive limps +2, 60%ish VPIP and station limps HJ, CO who is almost identical to HJ limps, generally LAG villain OTB limps, hero completes in SB with Q J, and lloose passive BB checks.

Flop ($14): K 7 3. Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $15, only HJ and CO call. Hero? Would hero's action change if UTG bet and action was folded to hero?




Example 2: Villain who is a humungous station (saw him call a 1.5 SPR shove otf in a 3 bet pot with an under pair) and has an estimated 40% VPIP and 20% PFR opens $10 UTG +2, huge station calls CO, loose passive station calls BTN, and hero calls in BB with K Q.

Flop ($41): J 9 3. Hero checks, +2 bets $25 and CO calls. Hero?




Example 3: Villain who is a moderate station and has an estimated 33% VPIP, 15% PFR opens LJ $11 and only hero calls BB with J T.

Flop ($23): 7 6 5. Hero checks, villain bets $17. Hero?







On a side note, should we just give up if called and the turn is a brick considering we're playing stations? Thank you in advance for reviewing these hands and analyzing the concept.
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08-01-2019 , 09:55 AM
tldr
but x/c first 2 flops, x/r the mid connected as your opp likely bets way too much and you have less sdv this time

would iso pre as default
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08-01-2019 , 10:31 AM
How do you have tag image if you checking these? If you think you have this image then your checking/calling these are now obvious draws.

Also you describe them as loose stations. What does it mean when they bet into you?

Call

Fold

Raise

Turn same logic as calling flop Use implied odds vs stations.
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08-01-2019 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
tldr
but x/c first 2 flops, x/r the mid connected as your opp likely bets way too much and you have less sdv this time

would iso pre as default
That's a really good point about #3...So you're saying with stations limping we should try to isolate all hands with them? What about when more than one has limped?
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08-01-2019 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
So you're saying with stations limping we should try to isolate all hands with them? What about when more than one has limped?
just the stronger hands that want to build big pots. QJs is a top 7-8% hand.
you can limp along/complete with the speculative stuff cause they'l let you see turns/rivers for cheaper than you should
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08-01-2019 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
just the stronger hands that want to build big pots. QJs is a top 7-8% hand.
you can limp along/complete with the speculative stuff cause they'l let you see turns/rivers for cheaper than you should
I raise QJs in mw limped pots at least 90% of the time... The only reason I didn't was because I didn't wanna play a bloated pot 4 ways OOP. Even if this is the case should we still be raising knowing we x-f the flop mainly, but get paid when we hit?
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