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I made a bad play the other night with AK ... Guy raises to $8 in a $1/$2 game from EP and gets one caller. I get AK on the button and make it $22 ... Not enough. He goes to $71, leaving about $60 behind. I call. Flop comes 8 high and he goes all-in. I tank, call, expect to be shown JJ. I know I'm behind, but I just can't make myself fold with all that money in the pot. Of course, he has AA and I'm drawing to runner runner straight chop hands or running KK ... Lesson learned.

In no way is this hand like the hand in the OP..

for one, you only had 1 caller before you raised.. OP had 4, and SB was the last of the 4.

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05-16-2011 , 05:52 PM

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I usually don't like getting 275bb in here with AKs, but I think you should be ahead a lot because your range for calling this shove is pretty tight (QQ+/AK maybe JJ?) and your 3bet squeeze range is pretty loose (AT+/99?+)...

And he'd never flat in the SB with 2-3 other callers with QQ+, so AT BEST he has AK/JJ, and he'll show up with AT-AQ/77-TT a ton.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.537% 54.06% 06.47% 277722444 33248640.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 39.463% 32.99% 06.47% 169471476 33248640.00 { JJ-77, ATs+, ATo+ }

60-61% edge on ~1140 pot = $684-$695 = +$120-135 in EV. This is huge..

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05-16-2011 , 06:13 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

Snap call, he has AQ/AJ here VERY often and is jamming on 300BBs+

Nice 3bet sizing too btw ( $7. ---> $57)

Lmao. This is not even close.

I'm guessing this is being sarcastic? (it's sometimes hard to tell)

FWIW, the 3bet size looks fine to me; it's basically 3x the original raise plus all of the other dead money in the pot, plus a little more for being OOP. Standard, no?

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05-16-2011 , 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by patchohare

I"ll add that if I thought there was more of a chance that he had a pair I would have leaned toward folding.

I wouldn't..

$57 + 57 + 35 (raise+4 callers) + 503 / 503 = 652 / 503 = 1.296 to 1 odds = 1/2.296 = 43.55% equity needed to be B/E.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.440% 46.23% 00.21% 56999796 254250.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 53.560% 53.35% 00.21% 65777592 254250.00 { JJ-99 }

And it gets better with lower pairs added.

So you're "throwing away" 2.5-3.5% in EV in a 1140 pot = $28.5-$40 in more EV in addition to the $57..

Like the only way you can fold is if he has AA in his range here..

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05-16-2011 , 10:19 PM

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patchohare

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

Snap call, he has AQ/AJ here VERY often and is jamming on 300BBs+

Nice 3bet sizing too btw ( $7. ---> $57)

Lmao. This is not even close.

Like I said that was the top of this guys range. He flatted first. It was obvious where he was at Ax all day every day.

Why would you ever raise less oop? This seems pretty standard to me.

Explain yourself

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05-16-2011 , 10:23 PM

#31

patchohare

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Originally Posted by poke4fun

This case is an example of making poker a lot more complicated than it has to be.

As usual you have nothing worth while to add to the thread.

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05-16-2011 , 10:31 PM

#32

BeakWetter

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

Nice 3bet sizing too btw ( $7. ---> $57)

Bet sizing seems fine.
Please explain your objection and reasoning.

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05-16-2011 , 10:41 PM

#33

poke4fun

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Originally Posted by patchohare

As usual you have nothing worth while to add to the thread.

As usual, you think you do.

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