U right... I should learn to lurk cuz I don't really want to edjucate the fish.

U need to understand how often u have nothing, how often u have a marginal hand that is difficult to extract value from, a marginal hand that will often cost money, and a monster. It's like a pie that has 4 segments.

Which pie u want, the A hi no hand, pair A no kicker, no chance to hit a monster pie?

I have the pair of 4s, pair of 4's, pair of 4's, stone **** NUTS pie

If u listen to me, u learn to play a pair of 4's like a poker player.

u play like u and never learn to guess right when ur A4 is good

Dude, I don't know if you're trolling or what, but some of your comments above are pretty ridiculous.

"It's not good that we give them 5:1 odds for our whole stack when flushes are 4:1 hit"? Are you serious? Here's my solution: I don't bet 1/4 of the pot. Pretty simple. I bet the pot, have them call getting nowhere near the immediate odds they need, plus they will be unsure about their implied odds, plus I can still back into a boat/quads. I mean, it's almost as if you are saying that flopping a set in a multiway pot is an undesirable thing. Am I missing something here?

"3/4 of the time they flop a pair"? Seriously? Wow, pears are easy. I believe the actual chance of flopping a pair+ with unpaired hole cards is closer to 1/4 (although I stand to be corrected on that).

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I don't know how you play but I would consider flatting some marginal hands, that play well IP, before I would start 3 betting some specific hand. You could also consider widening your 3 bet range a bit maybe including AKo,AQs, KQs, JJ, in certain situations. Point is if you want to open up your game a bit that's fine but don't rely on some specific hand to do it with.

Why don't u people ever name 1 frikken hand in ur strategy.

"hands that play well IP" u have no clue

Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
"How often in a HU pot when we flop a set does the lone opponent hit enough to want to stack off?"

"probably 3/4 times they have a pair. And any time they have an 8 or 9 or 10 outer like a OESD, flush draw, 4 to broadway, Top pair, overpair"
-ebarnet

U dumb dude, u don't know how to read? I said u give them 5:1 on ur stack. I not gay and say implied odds
U have 200, they have 200. Pot 40. U bet 40. He calls cuz he wins 230 if he outdraws u. He only needs 4.2:1 or 168:40. Easy call and u losing money

Sorry, I should have noticed you took over the thread and were on a rampage.
I'm not surprised you need more specific hands, most non thinking players always need to be spoon fed information.

U need to stop assuming I am incompetent. U assume every1 incompetent. Why u still in the small ball with all ur competence?

I know exactly what I'm talking about so i just murder this thread

Nice excuse for not adding content tho

FYP. The point is that you know where you're at with J2, and if we're just barreling, it is just as good as 44.

Okay, master. I will use the force.

I let u get back to discuss how to keep the pot small, how to play weak passive and how to bet fold the 2nd nuts.

GL ALL i prolly get banned for putting too much content on 2p2

If poker is about knowing where u at, then 7 2 is the best hand.

when u have 44, u can win like 10% that makes a difference.

Do youself a favor, Against AK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99 which hand has better equities, 44 or J2?

No way, the mods have a great sense of humor.

u figure out what marginal hands play well in posittion????

If you are going to 3-bet / fold to 4-bet, it's better to do this with 1) total crap (J2) 2) a hand that you thought was ahead before said 4-bet (AJo, TT, etc in certain spots).

If you do this with 44, you missed a chance to set mine against a hand that would almost certainly have paid you off at 1/2.

I don't know if this is genius or the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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This thread sorta became a train wreck.

Raising with J2o or A4o OOP?

THere is absolutely no need for that level of deception at 1/2NL. You will get enough playable hands that have value (JTs, KJo, ATo) so that you don't have to play (or raise with) complete and utter garbage.

Its one thing to want to increase your 3-betting range, its quite another to level yourself and think that you are Durr or Hansen and 3-betting light with J2o...

The VAST majority of your profit at 1/2NL is going to come from exploiting your villain's mistakes and weaknesses and playing good ol' fashioned boring ABC poker. Players at 1/2NL have soooo many leaks that it is actually -EV to play at too high a level.

Villains at 1/2NL think nothing of stacking off 100BB with TPGK or calling a 3-way shove fest with a flush on a paired board come river.

Dont lose sight of where the bulk of your profits are going to come from -- villain leaks. Sure, 3-betting is a great tool to have in your tool belt, but at best, that will only account for 10% - 15% of your profits.

A4o is a way better 3b light hand, we have blockers to AA and AK.

Just to clarify, I'd only 3bet light in position (I believe I stated that when I mentioned A4o, my mistake if I didn't).

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obviously wait for a good spot, don't 3 bet the nit who opens from ep but, take a nice little suited connector or 1 gapper and make a nice 3 bet. Hopefully you can take it down pre then show it face up... 1-2 players will see this and think you're a loose cannon lol, even if you go back to nitting it up

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Oh and.... Racist Ban IMO

I said the same, and I also stressed that it is all situational.

You are a prick. **** off.

You know there is a whole litany of things I'd worry about to increase my win rate at 1/2 than finding great spots to 3 bet. If you are only 3 betting for value @ 1/2 you aren't likely making much of a mistake with your 3 bets.

Reading hands and knowing when & how to extract value mean a hell of a lot more than 3 betting light. TBH OP it sounds like your looking for spots to up your aggression as much if not more than you need to be 3 betting. If that is the case then start opening more with hands you would limp, start raising IP vs limpers. Get a feel for how that works out & which hand ranges are best vs different types of players. Pay extra close attention how your plays work vs the regs, you can likely default the recs into passive fish types until proven otherwise.

It's too bad this thread went to the weird because what you asked was a legit question.

Before I give my hand, I'd like to suggest that you save this play for 'the right moment.' ie. don't 3-bet light unless you've been fairly inactive/nitty/tight over the last hour.

honestly, if you're going to 3-bet with something less than QQ+, you should just do it with suited connectors. Easy to get away from on the flop if you miss, easy to stack someone when you connect.