Or that both of you operate your lives according to different definition(s) of art and/or logic.

I think he is trying to say that logic allows us to see through BS, which gives logic a kind of aesthetic value, similar to the aesthetic value we attach to ideas or images one might associate with art.

I don't necessarily agree with him, and I do see your point.

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Yes, Logic is the art of reason. But there is art in logic. It gives you the ability to break down anything. In your point of view, with reason of course. Which is a beautiful thing to me.

There's just one response: Roshambo.

I googled that, got two responses, 1) it means rock paper scissors, 2) a game to kick each other in the balls.

Roshambo can you tell me what you mean?

I think Venice10 is ahead of you here Cali.

You might say that a particular display or application of logic was artistic. You might justify this by arguing that a particular line of reasoning (that particular logic) was unique or original enough to say that is was artistic.

Was the logic of Cantor artistic when he first established that the set of real numbers was "larger" than the set of integers? Maybe, if you define art as a beautiful creation or discovery by a human mind.

But if art is just the expression of human emotion then no, Cantor was not being artistic, and Venice10 is right.

IMHO, logic by itself is not art, IHMO. Logic is something humans have developed to formalized their thought processes in an effort to better establish what is true and what is false in an absolute sense. Well that's my definition at least.

As Venice10 pointed out in another thread, you might find that the point of divergence here is in the assumptions, not in the logic. That is, you both operate under different definitions.

Logic=common sense

Art=originality and creativity

Venice is going a little far. I use logic in football or poker.

In football when I draw up a play and it works. When I score on a huge play. Its a reason why it worked. Certain things set up other things. To blow the top off of the defense. Which is beautiful to me.

In poker when I set up a certain play and I felt my opponent. Its a reason why it worked. To me that's beauty.

There hasn't always been an official level of understanding considered "common sense".

We can prove this based on the assumption that before humans there was no common sense, and that humans developed as a consequence of evolution, where evolution began from non-reasoning cells.

It should then be simple to show that certain lines of reasoning, by-and-large taken to be "common-sense" today, at a certain point in human history, would have then had to have been "original", "creative", or "new".

Now, we begin to see how your definitions of logic and art start to merge, given that the defining words you have chosen to use are merging, as per above.

or for our purposes...
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I disagree.

With common sense you are able to determine what is true and what is false....which is what exactly logic is.

Art has nothing to do with this because art bends those rules.

i always thought bertrand russel came up with this in regard to infinities of varying magnitudes.

interesting - ill hafta go back and read if b.r. cites cantor at all in that writing.

Wow we have an argument about logic. I then seen it all. The true meaning of logic, is the art of reason.

Find me a link where it says the definition of.logic is the ART of reason please.

http://open-site.org/society/philosophy/logic

Didn't think you'd find one...

But ill agree to disagree considering that comes from a philosophical. Com

I never said you was wrong rizasutton. Its science and art, but logicians back in the England days. Didn't want to solidify a true meaning. To just science, so I guess they found art in they're reasoning.

I can agree with what I think your saying

A Philosophy professor walks in to the last day in class to administer his final exam... an essay. He places a Coke can on the table and instructs his students: " In three pages or less, prove the existence of this coke can."
One student simply writes "What Coke can?" and hands the paper in, for which he receives a perfect score.

I knew I was confused for a reason....you have it wrong....

Its supposed to be." Prove to me the coke can DOESNT exist" and to use all means you've learned in this class

.and its a philosophical joke...I wont reveal the answer or theory behind it maybe someone else knows.

Ill.give a clue. "To be is to be percieved".

I only know this because I took a philosophy class.

im glad this thread is a shining light of llsnl...

The only problem i see in llsnl is the debate over the existence of coke cans

what coke cans?

I started the derail, so I've just moved it. I'll let it ramble for a bit, then probably lock it when it gets boring.

Knowone noes...

"Nowhere am I so desperately needed as among a shipload of illogical humans."