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05-31-2015 , 07:34 PM
Ok so hears a good question for you guys.

I've been watching a lot of Phils Videos mostly the free stuff on youtube.

I've tried to incorporate his teachings into my game but I find I'm turning into a calling station lol

Seriously at what point do you find balance when your learning new concepts to beat higher levels ?
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05-31-2015 , 08:58 PM
you have to remember phil is playing against elite competition in the high stakes online games, idk you but i would guess you are not playing against that kind of competition...

you have to be able to watch videos and incorporate certain things and leave certain things out because they won't/don't work in the games you play
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05-31-2015 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by moneyfornothing
Ok so hears a good question for you guys.

I've been watching a lot of Phils Videos mostly the free stuff on youtube.

I've tried to incorporate his teachings into my game but I find I'm turning into a calling station lol

Seriously at what point do you find balance when your learning new concepts to beat higher levels ?
Well, not sure what type of answer u would expect to this question but what levels do u play if u don't mind? Answering this would be a good starting point for getting good feedback.

I haven't watched too much of him but I guess it would be better to pay for a subscription to some training site and start watching vids for your actual stakes. The level 15 thinking of the high stakes can lead u to bad decisions if applied at the micros/lows

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06-01-2015 , 08:25 AM
I play 2/5 live now and I am just moving into full time 5/10.

I should have made the original post a little clearer but it was late on Sunday night and I was just reviewing my monthly PnL and it was this month I found the free videos on youtube. I started watching the free videos on youtube just out of boredom and I'm actually going to buy a blue fire membership today because I do think Phil is a genius and I have tremendous respect for him and would like to learn more from him. In my opinion hes the best I have ever seen.

The point of this thread is more just how do you guys incorporate new concepts into your game without interrupting your income too much ?

I find that when I learn new concepts there is always a transition period but if you live off of your income how do you do it smoothly ?

Cheers
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06-01-2015 , 09:17 AM
Well, hard to say I guess. Question is pretty generic and poker is a complex game anyway. In a vacuum I may say that incorporating some given concepts can be a pretty simple task while incorporating others may be way harder. I will give u an example, hope this helps.

Let's say that you are working on your early position preflop range and decide to tighten up. Guess it sounds as simple as it is, u just have to skip the weakest part of you range unless you got a good reason to deviate from this rule, right?

But what about a concept like starting 3betting wider? Are you ready to defend against 4bets when opponets catch up? Do you have good postflop skills and the ability to adjust your barreling size according to stacks? Are you mentally prepared to play bigger pots with weaker hands? Are you observant enough to comprehend your opponents' postflop tendencies and exploit them?

You get my point?
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06-01-2015 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tolis
Well, hard to say I guess. Question is pretty generic and poker is a complex game anyway. In a vacuum I may say that incorporating some given concepts can be a pretty simple task while incorporating others may be way harder. I will give u an example, hope this helps.

Let's say that you are working on your early position preflop range and decide to tighten up. Guess it sounds as simple as it is, u just have to skip the weakest part of you range unless you got a good reason to deviate from this rule, right?

But what about a concept like starting 3betting wider? Are you ready to defend against 4bets when opponets catch up? Do you have good postflop skills and the ability to adjust your barreling size according to stacks? Are you mentally prepared to play bigger pots with weaker hands? Are you observant enough to comprehend your opponents' postflop tendencies and exploit them?

You get my point?

Yes excellent points so if I may summarize your saying chunk the new concepts down as small as I can then work on them in context of the bigger picture.?

So do you adjust your bankroll management or anything else while your doing so?

I guess were Im struggling is more along the lines of how much it will cost me to improve and whats an acceptable variance from 2/5 fulltime to 5/10 fulltime skills.

I know everyone is different but just trying to get some feel or range for what I can expect to happen with my bank roll.

I should probably have re titled this thread to read that but Phil Galfond is killing my game sounded cool at the time lol
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06-01-2015 , 07:00 PM
Phil left bluefire and started runitonce

Unless you were planning on signing up to see his old videos
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06-01-2015 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by boyrico
Phil left bluefire and started runitonce

Unless you were planning on signing up to see his old videos
Hey thanks ya I just went through runitonce and see that most of his videos there are PLO I was more interested in his No limit work full ring.
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06-01-2015 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by moneyfornothing
Yes excellent points so if I may summarize your saying chunk the new concepts down as small as I can then work on them in context of the bigger picture.?
Thanx for the compliment

Yeah, pretty much that. To be clear I am an online plr but all in all I try and work on given things at a time. I study off the tables (atm mostly discussing hands with a few buddies, also reviewing my leaks on my HUD here and there). When it comes to playing I try to apply what I learnt in theory. It can be barelling/bet sizing, bluffing, paying attention to a stat that I did not look up too often before, a mental issue. Whatever. They say that in pkr there is always sthg new to learn and I will personally agree

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Originally Posted by moneyfornothing
So do you adjust your bankroll management or anything else while your doing so?

I guess were Im struggling is more along the lines of how much it will cost me to improve and whats an acceptable variance from 2/5 fulltime to 5/10 fulltime skills.

I know everyone is different but just trying to get some feel or range for what I can expect to happen with my bank roll.

I should probably have re titled this thread to read that but Phil Galfond is killing my game sounded cool at the time lol
Tbh I always make sure I am 100% comfortable brlwise speaking. I am actually a real nit when it comes to brl mgmt. If I am not in the zone/have not slept well/ have been running bad and confidence is screwed etc, I strongly consider getting even tighter.

In any case not sure what brl mgmt rules most live plrs follow, also not sure what the skill level is at each stake in ur area, if u feel u got a strong edge maybe it's a good idea to be more aggressive with ur roll and shot take the higher levels sooner, keeping the "move back down" case always open if things don't go ur way

One last thought, in case you sense you are results oriented (to some extent most of us are imo but no one will admit here) is that u can work on ur mental game, Jared Tendler's books have helped me a ton.
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06-04-2015 , 11:45 AM
FYI
Before putting guru status on Phil, you may want to look into the circumstances surrounding him leaving Bluefire. I know those guys personally, and he did not leave on good terms.
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06-06-2015 , 01:32 AM
I would try to work out the maths for yourself before applying them to real game. I'm the worst at doing this though, which is why I can't blame any videos for my idiotic plays.
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06-07-2015 , 05:25 PM
If Phil Galfond is killing your game you're doing it wrong.
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06-08-2015 , 09:18 PM
Phil calls a lot in his videos because he's playing shorthanded against super-aggro nosebleeders who barrel with wider ranges than your fullring live lineup.. but what he really teaches in his thought processes when he calls a lot is still something you can apply.
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