Berge pmed me and said I could start a new thread as long as we don't do any personal attacks, so please no personal attacks.

Like I said in the other thread, I dont understand especially why we can't start off topic threads. It's not like these are started often at all and it's not like people are forced to read them if they dont want to. Obviously if there are like 5 off topic threads starter per day then some should be locked, but an average of one or even two a day won't hurt this forum at all (infact it will help it since there are hardly any threads/traffic in this forum as is).

Bringing back 200nl also will be very key to reviving this dead forum. A lot of the 200nl players wanted to be here as is, and many people who have played 200nl and 400nl say that they aren't all that different, and that the jump from 100nl to 200nl is bigger than the jump from 200nl to 400nl.

epip wanna go to red sox game tuesday? me and moussa are going?

i vote no

gimme a txt on the details but i'm prob down, I haven't seen u forever. I also got a new place too btw u should come check it out sometime

I would still like to know what sort of off-topic threads you would like to see in this forum. I have no problem with threads that are somehow related to poker and the members of this particular community (for example, the HU tourney). For garbage stuff ("haha I'm drunk and want to attention whore") I see no reason not to contain this to the chat thread. If you want to have a serious discussion about something that's not directly relevant to this forum, you can post it in a more appropriate forum and then post a link to it in the chat thread so that anyone interested will see it.

I am not sure if you disagree with my opinions on these things or if there is something else that you want which I'm just not getting.

Hai,

I am 200nl.

What Soah said too.

Basacally almost any off topic thread should be allowed since it's not like there are tons of them, and most of them are usually funny or important to have their own thread for organization (like the fantasy football one for instance).

I/others started a few off topic threads did like a month ago as well which all got locked etc.

no off topic threads, and no to remerging.

Like anyone cares, but here's my 2 cents......

[x] Soah is doing a fine job as mod
[x] I want to see most of the 100 & 200nl guys back here
[ ] I want to read 100 & 200nl strat bull****
[x] "haha, I'm drunk" threads are great imo
[x] off topic threads/posts are the main reason I read 2+2
[x] I miss Pattay
[ ] I miss Kel

+1

Ok Soah, slammedfire's thread is a perfect example of a thread that shouldn't be locked (infact it has potential to be an amazing thread) but would be locked by the mods on here.

wtf, i'm goign to this too.

maybe we should exchange numbers.

sgt jake has been on fire around here lately

fwiw I was just thinking about it and this is so true....

The day they locked the pokerstars reg thread was the exact day this forum started to go ridiculously down hill.

To address a couple of points that haven't been fully addressed:

#1 Yes, this is a "strategy" forum. But, fact of the matter is, strategy forums are extremely dated. Back when 2+2 made these forums, yes, strategy forums were a good idea, since the games were incredibly soft and not many people read 2+2. Over the years however, the games have gotten a lot tougher and more and more people view/lurk 2+2, so overtime, the idea of a "strategy" forum has fizzled away, which is why no one who is a significant winner posts strategy anymore...so all you are left with is all the bustos wanting to post strategy because they can't win at poker, and all the people who can win at poker (the main posters of this forum) wanting to post offtopic ****, because giving strategy on a public internet forum that everyone and their mom reads is incredibly dumb.

Yes, there are a few regular posters who post mostly strategy and not much else: Renton, Proofrock, CDL, soah come to mind. Out of all these posters, the only one who is more than a marginal winner is Renton, and all the strategy he posts is extremely nitty and not how he plays on PS at all, which is why he posts strategy...not to educate people, but to mislead them..in fact, I'm willing to propbet that he levels more people in strat posts than I do. Out of the other 3, Proofrock, CDL and soah, Proofrock is a breakeven player/marginal winner, CDL is a losing player and doesn't even play 400nl anymore so he shouldn't really be posting here anyway, and soah is a breakeven/marginal winner as well. And then we have a bunch of live players, all of whom are horrible and barely post, and post strategy because they are bad.

None of the other players post much if any strategy at all, because they realize that anything that's posted here is seen by practically the entire poker community. The fact that you think the needs of 4 online players, one of whom posts misleading strat, and one who doesn't even play 400nl anymore, and the other 2 who only post strategy because they are marginal winners at best, and a bunch of live fishes who all have low post counts and should be posting in the Small Full Ring forum anyway are more important than the needs of the entire community is incredibly naive.

#2 As for my posting on strategy...even with the occassional levels I put in place, I still offer better strategy than practically anyone else does on this forum. Some people might TRY harder to post better advice (CDL, soah, etc.), but overall, my advice is more accurate than both of these people's advice, levels included. The fact that people like nation think that folding in the Eureka thread is ridiculous, or people like CDL think that shoving is optimal, or soah that thinks that betting pot in the other thread when Eureka had QQ when an Ace came on the turn or turning JJ into a bluff on a QQxx board is "good advice" means that you guys know very little about how poker plays and how to play vs specific opponents...which is why that my advice of checking the river with QQ, although not optimal (obviously a small bet is ideal), is still better than the advice that soah gave...yet it was deleted because soah doesn't know much about poker and is a breakeven player, so he's not even qualified to know what's good poker advice and what isn't.

#3 It's ridiculous how the mods overmod this place. Yes, SOME of what I say is out of line, but the fact that you give me infractions for creating ONE offtopic thread, when it was said by Berge (and most likely agreed upon by the other mods), that the needs of 400nl+ players is to post offtopic ****...yet you don't even let us do that. You claim that there are "plenty of offtopic threads here already", which is far from the truth since offtopic posts make up 95%+ of what is posted here, yet there are only TWO MORE OFFTOPIC THREADS HERE(one being this one, and the other being the "ongame regulars thread" which has like 3 posts) THAN IN THE SMALL FULL RING FORUM. You claim that I "spam" the forums, when that post was my 2nd offtopic post made since this forum's creation (this post being the first one, but this post was needed, since as I said before, there are extreme problems with this forum, none of which it seems like any of the mods are working to resolve).

The fact that you claim that "if you post nicely your opinion will matter more" is utter bull****, since practically EVERYONE on this forum agrees with me concerning this matter, and since I've been the only one "not posting nicely" and you still haven't even tried to do anything other than post misleading info. And, the fact that you give infractions for people calling other people "downy" and other things is absurd as well...sorry but this isn't kindergarden, if you can't handle being called a downy on the interwebs then you have many many problems that you should go to a psychiatrist or something for..not to mention that FLAME WARS ARE FUNNY TO ANYONE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR. It's also funny how I get "banned" for posting offtopic threads (the main reason this forum was split to begin with), posting levels in strategy threads (half of which aren't levels, and as I said, my advice overall is better than 95%+ of the posters in this forum), and making mod attacks (the only reasonable reason to "ban" me, although given how the mods act, I feel that these are more than warranted), yet people like SpecialWon don't even get infractions when they don't even belong in this forum to begin with and are much bigger trolls than I am.

Summary: This forum sucks, the mods don't listen to the needs of the posters and even though their intentions are good, they are wrong about a lot of things, the mods overmod this place like it's kindergarden, no one posts here anymore OTHER THAN IN THE FEW OFFTOPIC THREADS THAT ARE ON THIS FORUM HINT HINT, and since the needs of the forum are to post offtopic threads more than anything, we should have 2-3 general strategy threads and the rest of the threads be offtopic (semi-level)

lol

Hey, kel you are writing pretty well. You were journalist/writer before poker?

keli does do some beautiful writing. I do app the truth, and keli tends to deal with only that. <3.

o btw, guys you should be careful with your money, cause there are deceptive people who will try to exploit your trust. So if you are thinking about giving someone your money and they arent trustworthy from what youve seen so far, then i probably woulndt trust them. U cant trust them though, if you have done some good biziness with them before, or youve known then for a very long time. Then you can trust them, if not, dont.


Juice

Hi Kel, nice to see you back. Good holiday? You should check out this thread in ATF on the very topic under discussion.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=269561

I'm sure they'd value your input.

yo wrong thread, this isn't too easy's thread lol

you suggested betting the river as a bluff which then derailed the thread, up to your post about how strat threads are the ideal place for you to post jokes, at which point the entire tangent was deleted

But just to make sure we are clear on this, you are now saying that your advice in the thread was actually wrong?

Did you really just ignore 99 percent of his post and nitpick one little part of it soah?

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't bother reading the rest of it

I find that very very hard to believe as the part u quoted was right in the middle of his entire post and not at the beginning or end where most people would normally skim too....

Anyway if you didn't bother to read all of it, which again I highly doubt, I suggest u do as he makes a lot of very good points.

I stopped reading when I got there. I did read the rest of it afterwards, which essentially consists of him admitting that he gets out of line, breaks the rules, posts levels in strat threads, and flames people, but feels that it should be ok. I think our stance on those topics is pretty well established already.

I suppose I could also respond to his claims that I am a breakeven player which is quite obviously not true, since I make a living playing these games despite being extremely lazy about actually playing.

He also continues to assert that everyone agrees with him, which again is quite obviously not true, just by looking at the posts in this thread itself.