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Person to my left calling 80% of MY raises Person to my left calling 80% of MY raises

11-11-2016 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexandar
Position lack of is problem
But seems here bigger problem does reside
For OP surely ran worse than a child ingesting pouch of Tide

#whatwouldtrumpdo
Would.trump.move seats?

fk variance
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11-11-2016 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
I'm not moving seats and consider it specious advice to do so, as there's likely no way he limp-c at the same frequency - it's a good spot.
You can play fewer hands if you'd like, but I'd advise staying put, playing your normal ranges, but amp up the sizing this deep and force him to play bigger pots with weak hands. If you encounter zero FE post, then open fewer hands for even more pre and continue smashing away with the thinnest of value you can find. The guy is playing ranges that need/want to see all five cards, so there is no alternative but to make that strategy as difficult and expensive as possible at every point of the hand. Youll still have checks and folds in your arsenal, but will punish the guy for the reminder of the session.
I like this better. You have identified his tendencies. Now exploit them.
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11-11-2016 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Keaton
I also don't understand the wave of suggestions to immediately get a seat change.
I dont understand why anybody would want to play at at distinct disadvantage. Dont you know that money flows clockwise in holdem? This is no coincidence. There is literally zero incentive to play deepstack out of position for nearly every single hand vs a competent opponent. Whatever value brought us to this table to get deep has now passed. You might as well say "i aint quittin no game even if all the drunks left and it's filled with old men drinking coffee and buying in the for the minimum". WHY THE HELL NOT???

We are never going to find some balance between overbets and value if it's just HU with a deep guy. The shorter stacks will be priced out too frequently and the deeper stack just wont call. If we start to bring our preflop sizing back down to normalcy so we're not just targeting one single damn player on our left, then he will once again start calling us wide. So unless we are supremely better than him or know all the tricks to check-raising and hero calling there's just no merit to stay.
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11-11-2016 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
There is literally zero incentive to play deepstack out of position for nearly every single hand vs a competent opponent.
We don't know if opponent is competent. He called a raise with 47off and got there, so being results oriented we feel like he is competent or somehow outplayed us. He didn't. If the 47 doesn't spike two pair, OP never makes this post.

I usually play 1-3 and there are a couple players who buy in for 1K and literally call every raise I make (my usual raise at this game is to $20-$25). Sometimes they are directly on my left, which makes it more difficult, sometimes not. It can certainly be frustrating when the cards aren't going my way, as will happen sometimes in poker. But more often than not, it's extremely profitable for me.

First, they are putting more money in the pot with lesser hands, so I'm at an immediate advantage.

Second, if they are calling a raise with hands like, say 56 off, they aren't folding flops where they catch any piece (i.e. any pair, any gutshot straight draw, etc). This means they will keep shoveling money in the pot, and keep shoveling it in from behind.

OP is free to get a seat change. But if he really wants to understand how to best handle this situation, I think there are strategic suggestions that can help his game more than simply moving.
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11-11-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Keaton
Understood, but the optimal answer on how to deal with it is not to simply get a seat change and hope the villain stops calling our raises. And this villain isn't nearly good enough - or likely really good at all - to merit that type of reaction.

The answer is to learn how not to be overly results oriented and to play a style of poker which is going to be highly profitable in the long run versus this type of villain.
Agreed, but the time to try to learn that lesson is not when both of you are 600BBs+ deep. Its OK to admit you are losing the battle and regroup He doesnt even need to leave the table. If you are losing a gun battle you dont try to learn to shoot better during the battle, you move to higher ground where you have an advantage and can beat your opponent with a tactical advantage even when you have a skill disadvantage.
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11-11-2016 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Agreed, but the time to try to learn that lesson is not when both of you are 600BBs+ deep. Its OK to admit you are losing the battle and regroup He doesnt even need to leave the table. If you are losing a gun battle you dont try to learn to shoot better during the battle, you move to higher ground where you have an advantage and can beat your opponent with a tactical advantage even when you have a skill disadvantage.
I won't argue with any of that, but I don't see how it's fully relevant to the discussion at hand. We aren't 600BB+ deep, we are having a theoretical discussion after the fact. So how can he and others best handle this sort of situation moving forward?

Being less results oriented and following a few other key strategic ideas should dramatically help his game. I think it's less helpful to simply reply "switch seats", which implies moving forward that is the best way to handle a loose opponent on our left who is calling raises with literally ATC, when in fact there are a few other modest strategies the OP could adapt which will be highly profitable in the long run.
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11-11-2016 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Keaton
Understood, but the optimal answer on how to deal with it is not to simply get a seat change and hope the villain stops calling our raises. And this villain isn't nearly good enough - or likely really good at all - to merit that type of reaction.

The answer is to learn how not to be overly results oriented and to play a style of poker which is going to be highly profitable in the long run versus this type of villain.
Especially when you CANT move seats and don't want to leave a juicy game
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11-11-2016 , 10:33 AM
"This was an odd situation I had the other day. I had 700-800 BB at a 1/2 table and was the biggest stack. The person directly to my left had 400-600 BB and was the second stack."

That sounds to me like they are in the neighborhood of 600BBs deep. He said the guy took 200-300BBs from him over 2 hours. Doesn't sound too juicy to me. It may have been juicy at the beginning or before villain got deep, but now its a beatdown. He should've left or moved.

Going forward is a different story of course. We would need to see HHs to see what hero did wrong.
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11-11-2016 , 10:39 AM
i Just meant.in general, as i said on page 1, im.often in a game i dont wana leave when this happens and cant change seats, so i resort to the strats posted earlier
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