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03-04-2024 , 12:50 AM

Icall77

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I play in a cash game that is pretty weak. Maybe one or two players are making any attempt to range other players. In a situation like this, playing and showing a couple week hands early in a session would do almost nothing to encourage calls in later hands when a player get AA or AKs. What is the downside of playing a permanent UTG range for all positions. There is enough action where winning 3-4 hands over an 8 hour session will usually win you $500-$1,000. Is it only the lost winnings from the hands you didn’t play? Seems like this strategy while boring is exponentially safer and lower variance than playing the correct GtO ranges.

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03-04-2024 , 09:29 AM

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,524

Gg would say this is a solid and very profitable strategy.
There's nothing wrong with playing tight in almost all situations and esp when people aren't paying enough attention to recognize you never bluff.

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03-04-2024 , 10:13 AM

madlex

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In a 9 handed game you get dealt AA once every 25 orbits. That's $100 in blinds in a 1/3 game. If you average >$100 per AA hand, there's nothing wrong with playing AA only.

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03-04-2024 , 02:37 PM

Stupidbanana

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,577

There's a guy that plays this way at my room. People pay him off and it angers me lol. I wish I could play like him. Folding for 3 hours straight, opens huge sizing and gets paid.

Yesterday: one limp to this NIT, he opens 30 or something, folds back around, moron limp shoves for 600$ into him at 1/3...he calls. moron had QQ, NIT had AA. To his credit he stayed and folded for another hour or two but this is his game.

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03-04-2024 , 02:48 PM

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana

There's a guy that plays this way at my room. People pay him off and it angers me lol. I wish I could play like him. Folding for 3 hours straight, opens huge sizing and gets paid.

Yesterday: one limp to this NIT, he opens 30 or something, folds back around, moron limp shoves for 600$ into him at 1/3...he calls. moron had QQ, NIT had AA. To his credit he stayed and folded for another hour or two but this is his game.

Nitting it up is often a perfectly legit strategy at low stakes. Sure they may give up some EV for low variance, but there's a reason all those OMCs on social security can come to the card room every day. At best they're only slightly losing, but I suspect it's often slightly winning.

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03-04-2024 , 03:10 PM

Stupidbanana

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Originally Posted by hitchens97

Yea we have a few like this. Usually old chinese men. This one guy is a rare exception in that he's in his 30s. I saw one other young guy the other night... turbo nitting. Seemed newer to the game. He literally sat for 3 hours folding, picked up AK, opened huge and got called by a semi-drunk whale.

Flop - K-7-3r

NIT bets, drunk whale raises, NIT 3-bet shoves, whale snap calls with K5o.

..Turn is a 5.

NIT storms away angry throwing his AK at the dealer.

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03-04-2024 , 11:50 PM

Mlark

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Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 1,689

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Originally Posted by Icall77

You're leaving a ton of money on the table, especially as you get closer to the button. Depending on the rake, UTG gets to play like 12% of hands while button gets to play like 43% of hands. Also, in live poker, you don't get 3bet nearly often enough, and when you do get 3bet, you know v is probably stronger than they should be and you can make an easy fold. But the fact that you don't get 3bet enough makes opening very wide much more profitable in later positions.

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