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Did you read the rest of the post???

It's the same as what almost everyone else said - you're overrepping your hand. We need a read that a villain is a station to bloat the pot like that. We have a disguised strong hand sitting in position on a not-drawy board that is ahead of their current ranges. Raising to 85 tightens their ranges significantly away from air towards value hands while bloating the pot with a good but not great holding.

Use your position and call to keep ranges wide.

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02-19-2013 , 05:33 PM

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daveMASS

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Originally Posted by bubonicplay

Table is more active than normal, 4am.

EP+1($350) - weak super tight young asain guy
MP+1 (#1000) Middle age guy, active, bets big when invloved.

Blinds fold, MP weak tight guy also calls $20.[/I]

[COLOR="Blue"]Cloudy mind, played bad, I thought about 3 betting but I decide to play it passive, and let MP+1 aggression work against him. This is an

We are giving odds for Mp weak-passive now.

MP+1= is now betting this turn like 100% of the time and river a good amount of the time as awell depending on the texture.

What are we behind.. 1010,77, AA, KK??

Now think of all the cards on the turn that put us in a bad spot...

Not to mention the calling range of MP at 4 am after we view him as an active player.

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02-19-2013 , 05:34 PM

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So now we got a situation where, we are allowing Mp weak passive to have like 8:1

And we are allowing MP to put is in a tough spot with so many turn/river combos...

WE are crushing his range/...... this is not an overrep

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02-19-2013 , 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by daveMASS

We are giving odds for Mp weak-passive now.

MP+1= is now betting this turn like 100% of the time and river a good amount of the time as awell depending on the texture.
What are we behind.. 1010,77, AA, KK??

Now think of all the cards on the turn that put us in a bad spot...

Not to mention the calling range of MP at 4 am after we view him as an active player.

That's a reason to check, not bet. MP+1's betting range is wider than his flop 3 bet calling range based on that read.

If MP is weak passive his calling range here is reasonably tight. That's a reason to not 3 bet, as you fold out his weaker hands which might call the bet to $35 and call a reasonable turn bet.

What turn cards put us in a bad spot? A ten? An ace? Bet/fold exists for a reason. The turn is a pretty standard bet/fold if it's checked to us, and a call if MP+1 bets anything other than a huge amount on a gross card.

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02-19-2013 , 05:43 PM

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I agree with all of this..

but we are also now pricing in MP weak-passive, which with that bet sizing it seems like he wanted us to do. I think if he bets any 6,7, J or even 10 its hard not to give him credit here.

Its not that im advocating raising to protect, Im advocating raising for value against MP, now with the plan on the turn to be bet/folding into a bigger pot than we have if we just smooth call this min-raise and allow Mp-weak passive to hang around with what seems like 85% junk with that rare 15% set

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02-19-2013 , 05:44 PM

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If we were heads up.. I would be flatting this 80% raising 20%.

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02-20-2013 , 12:40 AM

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I ended up...

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02-20-2013 , 12:40 AM

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MP donk bet otf is so small that I don't think we can give villain's raise the same consideration as if it went say $60/$120. You say he normally bets bigger and this raise looks designed to slow down MP, control the pot size and buy the button. So what does this mean?

He doesn't want to lose MP? He wants to buy a turn card and get his hand to showdown? He is on autopilot? Do you think he would ever fold AA or KK here/meaning could he be bet/folding to MP? You say your image is passive. Do you think you can steal from AA or KK if you flat flop?

Interesting hand.

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