Tough loose aggressive game. NCAA was on so mostly regulars and good players. A lot of raises preflop with 3 or 4 callers. 1/2 game, most raises were to 15.


I haven't seen many hands, stack is dwindling, looking to gamble. I get 56 in late position. Two limpers and MP makes it 15 to go. I call expecting a few other callers behind. 2 more callers and it's 4 way to flop.

V1 (sb) has 400 in chips. Looks like a good player, youngish, headphones, has been too aggressive and bluffy but seems to know how to play.

V2 ($300)preflop raiser) black guy, around 30, seems like a solid player. Hasn't raised at all until now, been playing tight.

Hero ($275): Sat down about 30 mins ago and played a few hands. Had AA and KK and won both uncontested. Had QJ and value bet top pair all the way into donk to my left who caught a K on the river and raised and I called like a donk but it was a small raise.


Back to the hand...

Flop is QT5


SB leads out for $7 into 45 pot (??) I think he's feeling out his top pair bad kicker or something like that. V2, preflop raiser, makes it $30 to go.

Hero?

You've only been at the table for 30 minutes, were dealt AA AND KK already, and haven't seen many hands? Haha...last session I played for well over 2 hours before seeing a hand.

Anyways, I'd call here and see what happens. V1 and V2 both don't have many flush draws in their range I think, with V2 being so tight. Maybe only AKcc. SB is either way out of line or fishing for raises with a monster. Either way, doesn't really make sense with a flush draw either.

That's a bet and raise, not a raise and reraise. Anyway $75 to set up pot sized shove on turn if called. Obv not folding flop.

Haha well I should say I haven't won many pots. You're right, AA was welcome, its been a long time since I had it before that

I pushed all in. Seems extreme but I wanted to see two cards... Hate seeing a blank on the turn there

Give me a break, long day at work..

I was thinking that my shove looked suspect. A raise like 100 or so might be scarier. A turn shove on a blank card though?

*grunch*

With $275 effective and a pair of 5s, I'm keenly interested in taking this pot down now against what appears to be an overpair at the very least. I suggest making a raise that leaves us a pot-sized shove on the turn. Bump it to 85 and shove the turn.

This has the added benefit of folding out better (AA/KK/AQ) and getting worse to call (Kx, AJ, KJx for example). That said, a royal flush draw isn't exactly good news for us.

*edit*

In answer to your question, yes we're shoving a brick on the turn. A raise to 90-100 on the flop with money behind looks like a stronger line than an overshove on a wet board IMO, but your villains may not agree.

My reasoning for shoving instead of doing the above is:

If a club falls it will likely kill my action, and if a brick falls then I'll be putting in my money as a dog to almost any made hand

Really? You are sitting with ~140 BB's. You are playing in a cash game, not a tournament. If your stack is 'dwindling' (which it's not), then you top off. You don't go into gamble gamble mode.

As played, raise flop to $90 and then shove all turns. Jamming the flop, which is a massive over-bet, makes your hand look exactly like a big draw.

A Pair+FD is one of the "high equity" hands that once you learn about it, you want to raise or jam the flop every time you get it :-) But unlike an OESFD, making your second pair or trips is not as strong as making your straight.

And when there is a bet and a raise on the flop before you, the odds are that at least one of those villains already has 2 pair or a set, which decreases your equity significantly. And when there are (at least) 2 villains, there is a higher probability that one of them is also on a FD, which further reduces your equity. Also your realistic Fold Equity here is non-existent, and Fold Equity is a big part of why raising/jamming these types of hands can be profitable.

Personally, I have scaled back my raising/jamming in this situation (bet/raise flop by at least 2 villains) because my experience in my 1/2 and 2/5 NL games, where villains are Level 0 un-thinking, tight and sticky, is that this is an overall losing play.

Also, your odds in these situations is really about EV-neutral, and there are so many situations where I can raise/jam when I think I have at least a 60/40 edge over the villains. I guess I prefer to use post-flop skill to lower my variance rather than push small mathematical edges. Your mileage may vary :-)

Well said and I think this is pretty much the same conclusion I'm coming to for these games

He had KK and snap called. Didn't even think about it, lol

His holding is what was expected. One benefit to going to $90 on the flop instead of all in is that when he snap calls you, you have the option to take a free card on the turn when you can tell you'll have no fold equity with your shove and you'll be able to see two cards for $90 instead of your whole stack. If we hit the river, we can value bet because he isn't folding KK if he snap calls the flop.