Maybe not the most interesting hand, but my poker pro-friend and I are diametrically opposed on the best way to play it. What say you?

1/2 Effective stacks $350.

Villain is an aggressive, bad female who will lead into multiple players with 2nd or 3rd pair, whether or not the hand was raised or limped pre-flop. She'll also stack off light and doesn't seem to really grasp the game beyond what cards she has in her hand. However, she will also play the exact same way when she flops big, so it can be rather difficult to put her on a hand.

The Hand:

Villain is in the BB
I'm on the Button

Two limpers to me and I raise to $16 with TT
Villain calls in BB.
MP limper also calls.

Flop ($51):

KK4

Villain leads for $30. MP folds.

Hero???

If i observe her to be a one and done type player, i will most defiinitely call and reevaluate on the turn. If she is really aggressive and am expecting a double/triple barrel things are a lot trickier and there is nothing wrong with just folding and finding a better spot.

I agree with above, or try min-raise.

Bet $30 on turn if she checks and check behind on river.

Might end up value owning yourself, but I don't like giving up this hand to a villain of said description.

raise to $75-$85.
You say she bets bets and bets somemore with any piece. 10 10 is super vunerable. If you flat flop and an A Q J or club comes and she bets again your gonna like your hand even less, as she would presumably bet any pair regardless of board texture as you say.

I'd be happy to take this down on the flop. I think a small raise here would usually do this.

I don't want to flat flop, flat turn and then face a larger river bet still w/ no real idea where she is, again because she'll fire away w'anything.

I be looking to win or lose on the flop if at possible.

what if she flats

IMO you are done with the hand. You gave her resistance and if she plays back at you, you are almost always beat.

I like making it $70 and if called I am done wiht the hand. I may call a reasonable river bet if turn is checked and the board is safe. I can't just call and play a guessing game vs this type of player, however I can't fold to this type on a favorable-ish flop either.

Gotta protect our hand, which is good some of the time. Too many vulnerable turn cards that can really make things ugly.

Flat call. Any non J Q A turn... Bet 3/4 pot if checked to - If A J Q turn and she bets... fold. If no A J 10 turn and she bets - raise to 100.

Raising on the flop is extremely -EV. If the villain is terri-bad, then your range is AK after a raise. You'll get QQ and JJ to fold, but you'll also get 55-TT to fold, which what you don't want to happen. Kx is never folding with this villain's description.

Let's next look at the progression of the pot. If the villain continues with 60% PSB, the pot on the turn is $110, the river is $243 and the river bet will be about $140. That mean's you're committing 2/3 of your stack with second pair if you call on the flop. Because of the description of the villain, you just can't fold on the turn because she bets again.

Giving her a K9-KA, 55-QQ range post flop, you're a 53/47 favorite. If your read is correct, folding in the best case costs you $17 in EV. Eliminating 66 and 55 from that range makes it -EV to call. When I'm in a situation where the best case is a small win, but a slight change makes it a loss and the worst case is a big loss, I'm happy to fold at 1/2.

Finally, players like this are rarely aggressive without a good hand. A good hand is Kx. You don't have it. They'll call down second pair, not donk bet out.

Grunch

This is my first response to a PAHWM post.
One question. Does villain change the size of her bets depending on board and/or hand she has or does she basically consistently bet the same basic size?

I call the flop and reacess the turn with the intention of calling a non, non Ace turn card. I don't want to raise and have to make a tough decision, nor do I want to have her fold. I would prefer to let her bet for me.

call; evaluate on turn. usua.lly they have a smaller pp here

This seems to crush the thread.

Raising the flop is the worst choice we can make. I think I call here and decide, but as Venice said, that's probably crap.

If villain's that bad, I'd wait for a better spot. Otherwise, I'd min r/f and cbet ~ 1/2 pot ott.

What will villain do if called on the flop; will she keep barrelling both good and bad hands?

If she slows down on the turn in most cases, then I probably call the flop and evaluate the turn; if she donks biggish again, I think I'm done with the hand. She is calling out of the blinds, so she can easily have a big hand here (AK/KQ/QQ/JJ etc.), it's not as if she limped these preflop. If she is the type to keep barrelling with draws and hands like 77, then I might just give up on the flop since I know the turn bet is coming and I'm not going to call of my stack here. I'd lean towards calling/evaluating; a call by us here is pretty scary too, and might get her to slow down. My plan is to check behind on the turn and call a reasonable river bet; if checked to on both later streets, I might make a small value bet.

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Nm that's bad. I'd check back ott and bluff-catch otr.

Easy flat here against this villain IMO.

Villain most likely has PP between T and 4, we aren't afraid of getting drawn out on. We need to take advantage of position here.

Call, keep her range wide.

Maybe not the most interesting hand, but my poker pro-friend and I are diametrically opposed on the best way to play it. What say you?

1/2 Effective stacks $350.

Villain is an aggressive, bad female who will lead into multiple players with 2nd or 3rd pair, whether or not the hand was raised or limped pre-flop. She'll also stack off light and doesn't seem to really grasp the game beyond what cards she has in her hand. However, she will also play the exact same way when she flops big, so it can be rather difficult to put her on a hand.

The Hand:

Villain is in the BB
I'm on the Button

Two limpers to me and I raise to $16 with TT
Villain calls in BB.
MP limper also calls.

Flop ($51):

KK4

Villain leads for $30. MP folds.

Hero calls.

Turn: ($107 after rake)

6

Villain leads for $30.

Hero???

She'll sometimes two-barrel and give up, showing TPTK and sometimes she won't fold 3rd pair. Her bet-sizing is usually all over the place.

this was my idea, too

Her turn bet is pretty small, which I'm assuming means weak. As played, I think I minraise the turn here (especially if I have a solid nut-peddler image). This will probably get us to a showdown cheaper than had we just called. We can also possibly fold better hands here (QQ/JJ are going to have a difficult time calling here not knowing what we're going to bet on the river). We're giving good odds for the flush draw, but I think I'll live with that. I'm folding to a reraise cuz I'm assuming she's only reraising my scary minraise with the nuts here.

I think raising turn is pretty terrible unless we are certain she will stack with something like 77/A6/flush draws (it looks like she might from OP). If she is going to put her stack in with tons of worse hands, then we should probably be raising the flop and trying to get it in.

This looks like sort of a blocking bet with a FD or mid PP. I suppose trip kings could still be doing this, but your average 1/2 villain would bet more with a monster in fear of a flush draw.
I still have problems here. We could call the $30 and just let her bet again and reaccess which is a bit passive. We could raise to $100, but then we're basically committed to the hand at that point and could be owning ourselves.
I think a turn call is best.

I disagree, and this is where past hand history makes a huge difference.

Does villain double barrel with strong hands or with weaker holding?

Does villain bet big on her second barrel?

Will she lead on the river if she has a strong hand after a check through turn, or will she bluff with medium hand after checked through turn?

These are the questions that I'll be asking before making my decision, and against an unknown, I just can't be comfortable going to the river if I don't know these answers.

So I guess yes, I like folding in this spot, too, but I don't like laying down this hand to a player of her description.

I am min-raising on the flop because it will spaz-out a lot of bad players, and in most cases, I have also set the turn price, because I can check behind the turn.

So if villain has Kx, she's probably going to re-raise big here, allowing me to end the bleed at this spot.

If she flats, I am checking behind the turn if she checks.

River is case-by-case, but I am likely to value bet light if she checks, and likely to call if the bet is around 1/3 - 1/2.

Either way, because this player is considered reckless by the description, I like a more conservative line.

doing anything other than flatting the flop seems bad, folding is obv not good and raising just allows her to fold all her bluffs and mediocre hands.

OP says she leads into the field with a wide range of hands, but do you have a read on what she is firing multiple barrels with?

As played I can't fold the turn for that price.
Call see what she does on the river, obv Kx is part of her range here but it is wide enough that calling seems necessary.

seem to have a good read on her for flop play... if you call here... what do you think she does on turn?

1/2 Effective stacks $350.

Villain is an aggressive, bad female who will lead into multiple players with 2nd or 3rd pair, whether or not the hand was raised or limped pre-flop. She'll also stack off light and doesn't seem to really grasp the game beyond what cards she has in her hand. However, she will also play the exact same way when she flops big, so it can be rather difficult to put her on a hand.

The Hand:

Villain is in the BB
I'm on the Button

Two limpers to me and I raise to $16 with TT
Villain calls in BB.
MP limper also calls.

Flop ($51):

KK4

Villain leads for $30. MP folds.

Hero calls.

Turn: ($107 after rake)

6

Villain leads for $30.

Hero calls.

River: $167):

2

Villain immediately leads for $65.

Hero???