This is 100% correct. The straddle only adjusts our effective BB if the rest of the game adjusts accordingly. 99 times out of 100 they don't.

Very very good points. I didnt 3 bet smaller to induce her though. I picked that sizing because I thought it was best overall, but I agree now that $150 was better.

I’ve heard that if your 3 bet sizing is lower it means you’re more heavily weighted to the top end of your range, (inducing more calls instead of 4 bets). So perhaps raising larger might have had her come along for a 4 bet thinking that you were weak based on bet sizing...

What were the bet sizes in the pots prior to this hand where she 3-bet and 4-bet? Were they a smaller sizing?

I’d say your smaller 3-bet sizing is fine if that was the case (inducing a 4-bet) based on prior hands, otherwise I would have leaned towards $150 like everyone else.

There were no straddles in those other hands. I believe she opened $20 UTG with JhTh...MP 3 bet to $65 and she 4 bet to like $240ish. MP called with only $130 behind (no idea why)....flop was like 9d6d3d and UTG Asian chick shoved. MP had a big pp and snapped her off.

I thought the Asian girls play in the other hand was very good. LP opened $20 77. She 3 bet from BB with KcQc to like $85.

Board Ac9x3cJx6x...I dont remember the whole hand but she triple barrelled and got called down which shocked me.

Hate the flop but... I'm torn between betting ~$200 (maybe $175) and checking. If I bet and V1 raises, I feel pretty committed. If V2 comes along, I fold.

I think betting here is actually best, but in game I probably chicken out and see what the turn brings.

Maybe 77 guy just put Asian on FOS and went into call down mode after seeing that 4-bet hand.

I’m a straight forward player so with my image I think you need to bet this flop. It’s not great but our hand is too strong to give up here plus half the deck can hurt us so we don’t want villains to get a free card. I’m not worried about Asians range and I’d happily GII with her barring a 4-liner doesn’t come on the turn. I’d be concerned about back pack guy for sure.

I think you need to bet around $200 leaving about $600 behind you can probably get it in on any brick turn, possibly GII on board pair. Looking to check back turn if checked to us on any scare cards and give up on the hand unless back pack folds. Maybe we can call one street against Asian. That’s how I’d prob play it.

Tricky spot. Not too many value targets but I still think we have to bet to protect. I like a smaller sizing to leave us room to b/f and target A8, A7, 87 type hands. ~$175. Certainly going to be proceeding with caution against a flat - not going to just auto-jam most turns if checked to.

Not our fav flop obviously, as it can easily smash at least one of our villains callingranges regarding our pretty smallish 3 bet size pre.

That being said i am on board with betting here. For some different reasons:

1) We need to open up the betting right here on the flop to give our tilted target a chance to spazz raise/bluffraise against us with holdings we possibly crush, or to give her the chance of continue calling and put in money with her likely very wide range.

2) We also need to deny some equity here. Giving a hand like KQ suited or AJ a chance for a free card and outdraw us with more than 300 in the middle isnt very appealling imo.

3) We can C-bet like 170-180 ish, and if worst case scenario occur: spazz lady folds then backpack pro check-ships on us we still have the option of bet/folding depending on livereads/how we gauge his range and the situation. I dont think we need to be a slave to SPR in this instance and autostackoff regardless what happens here. We have a decent enough read on the situation+ our villains it seems like, we gain edge by trusting ourself enough to play out the nuances.

I check flop. This board peppers V2's (UTG+1) call/call range.

I'm not too worried about a K or A peeling off OTT unless V1 (UTG) bets it big.

If you are bet the flop you are saying "I have an over pair and am not afraid of this flop even though it misses my range and smashes your range"

That being said I like to bet this flop. Wouldn't mind all folds or for V1 to come along. If V1 flats I am playing cautiously though. If V2 comes along I am going into check mode on the turn and just calling certain run outs.

I think we need to go 1/2 PSBish on the flop.

1. Get value from a wide range (V1).
2. Get value from 88+, deny backdoor equity from the SC part of his range.

Calling a raise from V1, evaluate a V2 raise.

Pre - I'd have gone higher for value (V1) ... $145-$155.

3! more to ~150, getting into a bloated 3! and straddle pot with QQ against extreme LAG and competent reg is the worst outcome outside of getting 4! by reg. I'd be happier to collect two folds. large 3! >>> calling >>> small 3!

Check flop. I'd bet against more passive opponents, not the villains described (or if we are heads up). Facing a raise and playing for stacks should be something we are avoiding... this is a tricky board, we are worrying about two very different but both aggressive playstyles, and we have a close to face-up single pair hand. Our hand isn't going to improve either so let's pot control.

OTT there are some bad turns we can evaluate IP / fold, but the majority of turns are fine or even good for us and we can play aggressive then and with more information.

I check flop. We already dodged the flop overcards which would be my main concern in this hand.

The only cards I'm hating on the turn would be 8,K,A.

Normally, if this was heads up after our big 3! pre, I would bet 2/3 pot so I can shove on the turn on a blank. However we're 3-ways here, so betting small is unlikely to win us the pot - meaning we're in commitment territory on the next street anyway.

Also, because of our small 3! pre, all small pocket pairs are in Vs value ranges and we could easily be shoveling money into a set. If we bet flop, are we planning to fold to a raise/shove? If we get flatted by both Vs, are we shoving turn on most cards? What do other players consider scare cards here?

Also, betting does turn our hand somewhat face up, or at least narrows our range to overpairs and a rare 88, maybe not to the asian lady, but at least to the reg.

That’s a disastrous flop for our “face-up” hand. Be prepared to face a check/raise almost 90% of the time in this spot from described villains. 55-88 forms a chunk of V2’s range and V1 will check/shove a wide semi-bluff range here (stuff like A8s, T8s, 87s) in addition to value shoves and make life hell for you.

Just check back flop with your entire range on this board where you have an extreme range disadvantage 3-way. Make good use of your positional advantage and see what happens on the turn.

I’m more scared of V2 and this flop hits his range hard. I check the flop.

$150-75 pre

All in now.

LOL

b/c 225. Although if they both shove lol. We have about 50% equity against backpack's gii range.

Im in the check back flop camp. I think V2 is the most likely to have hit the flop and he is also probably the most likely to check raise with a pair and draw hand, 2 pairs and sets....so I checked the flop back.

Hero has QdQh

Turn ($340) 7h6c5s...Td...they both check to me again

This might be better. Gotta open up my mind to all the available options.

Not sure why people want to check here.

Not sure why we would want to shove $790 into the $340 pot?

Even if the 3 bet was to $150, shoving would be $750 into $460. Seems pretty bad to me. Actually more than pretty bad.

Check. Keep pot small.

Nice turn. Value bet $200 and shove safe rivers.

V2’s play is confusing to this point meaning he’s likely worse/calling wider than read in OP indicates.

I know I'll never influence op specifically but in case anyone else cares...

Get out of the trap of thinking of betsizing in relation to pot size. There is no rule that states that bets must bet 1/2 or 3/4 pot or whatever.

In balanced poker you want to size your bets in relation to what your range wants to do which gets a bit tricky but still results in very interesting size choices.

In lol live poker it is simpler still...where people flat 20x 3bets from a range that is QQ+/AK, leaving an spr of 2.3, you just shove your entire value range and check fold the rest (on wet flops but where we still have the best hand most of the time)

All turns suck. You are up against 2 equities not one (a shared, expanded range that you must fade if you check).

We dont have AA. Having to fade every card higher than a 7 is bad.

We have the best hand alot but need to deny a ton of villain equity.

All in.

Jesus. WTF is going on. Bet the ****ing flop. Then pound the turn. This isn't hard.