+ a ton. You lost this hand pre and on the flop where you missed both opportunities to win it.

OK, I think the unspoiled discussion has wound down.

Results:

Ya, doesn't validate much.

I like his line, flop he could bet. But check is reasonable.

Your line is also reasonable. Call on river I am not sold on yet. But definitely not horrible.

Nice hand, Vernon. You can’t go wrong GII on the flop $800 deep but I also like the way you played it. I think he plays 76 and 75 the same way which is why I’d prefer the river raise.

Think river raise is almost always better

First, you forgot 87.

Second, in order for raising the river to be better, a lot of things have to break in my direction:

First, I have to know that he really is betting his 7x hands. He might check them if he puts me on a range of Ax, 88, and air, which seems reasonable.

Second, he has to fold those hands. I was trying to be cognizant of what a river raise would look like to him. I thought that if I raised the river there was a chance he would perceive my range to be air. If he thinks I'm a nit, he might assume that if I had a hand with showdown value I would just call, not raise. (I think, for example, that if my hand were A3 instead of KQ most of you guys would say the river is an obvious call, and I think he's probably thinking on that level as well.) In order for him to fold to my river raise he has to put me on a monster, which I guess is possible, but if I have a monster, I've played it in a very FPS way, and he should know this.

Third, he has to not have any real hands in his range. I don't believe he does, but I am allowed to be wrong.

Raising the river means I'm risking 685 to win 505 instead of 200 to win 505. It changes the math a lot.

I didn’t “forget” 87s I just assumed a LAG would 3bet that hand. When you say he has a speculative hand I’m thinking suited single, double and triple gappers.

Regardless, if you think he heros you with 7x then why wouldn’t you shove your AX combos? Obviously if he thinks you’ll shove air then don’t shove KQ but perceived nits don’t shove busted draws imo.

I probably would have, if I actually had that.

What did villain say after the hand? I’m sure this immediately and forever changes his perception of you.

He said almost nothing, but he looked shaken and got up to take a walk. After this hand we rarely played against each other again, and kept staying out of big pots with each other. This was the biggest pot I ever played against him.

The biggest outcry, if I recall correctly, was from the LJ, who also had a bunch of history with me and was openly shocked.

Nice hand. I think I remember this one. I don’t have much to add. I likely would have done a couple things differently but I’d say that’s because I’m underthinking it. Pre I would call and also raise some of the time. Probably depends on what mood mrs. Spike is in that day. My default is to bet the flop but on a good day when I stop to think about it I think I check too. Turn I fold but I think your analysis is better given the description of the opponent. River is a call simply so you can show everyone how awesome you are.

Mixed bag of responses as usual. Some very well thought out. Others could be described as flaming piles of dog poop.