10 handed 2/5 game $500 max: tons of $ flying around, people are opening for $40 as standard and sometimes $55-$75. Lots of people are losing and one huge donator is in godmode and crushing the game but he is not in this hand.

Preflop descriptions:

V1: LAGtard, opening ATC any position. Calling raises and 3bets ATC, any amount. Calling any amount with draws postflop, gutshots included. He has a huge stack but is still losing. Played 1 hand with him where I 3bet 109c IP, flopped top 2 vs his ?? and doubled through him(finally got 2 seats to his right, first attempt at iso, 2kish pot). Recently 3bet KK vs his open and got to showdown on AAx flop and lost to his A5, $90 pre and $100 OTT, river check check. He plays extremely careful OTR and I've only seen him bet nutted hands and bluffs.

V2: tight white middle aged guy, weak passive. Generally bad, losing player overplays draws and plays very few hands, the ones he plays he plays poorly.

Hero: winning and playing very few hands. Only showed down big hands, sets, 2p, AA etc. Slight winners tilt which some players might notice, lost a big pot with KK where I 4 bet OTB $125 and original opener 5bet AI with AA for $305 more.

Hero EP($2000)
V1 BB(covers)
V2 MP($1000)

Hero is dealt 1010

Preflop($7)

Couple limps Hero raises to $35, V2 makes it $65( says "oops, I meant to make it $70 don't I have to double it?". After the dealer clears it up, V1 calls, one limper calls, Hero calls.

Flop($267)

J105

Checks to Hero

Hero?

bomb it

220 - 250

umm what's your question? obviously this is where you bet huge (pot-sized or 3/4 the pot) into the three other hands .. no slow play here ever.

Hero bets $250. If V1 is on a draw he calls. This may bring in V2. Clearly want to build pot as large as possible for turn shove.

You are super deep vs droolers on a wet board. Just bombs away!

Hero bets $275.

If they are that crazy then raise more pre. Obviously extract money on flop.

V2 must have a very strong hand if he's weak passive and min-raised pre-flop.

Bet $120 or so to induce a raise from V2. Even if V2 flats the bet, it is very likely that V1 will view this as weakness and comes over the top with some sort of bluff/semi-bluff.

I am looking to play for stack on the flop, or if both flat, I'll re-evaluate on the turn.

Hero bets $200, V2 folds, V1 calls, limper folds

Turn($667)

8

V1 checks

Hero?

Bet $500 and never fold.

Hero bets $555, calls it the triple nickle and makes up some BS about how lucky it is.

I thought yours was the most relevant comment. V2 had a 1000 dollars when the hand started. Half-pot bets from flop to river would put his whole stack in. I would have started with about 125-135 with the goal to represent an average/weak draw, top-pair/weak kicker (or slightly better).

If people call too much, I see absolutely no reason to make raise a red-flag (basically turn your hand face-up) and bet enough to cause average hands to fold. Nobody is folding draws that you're worried about (like 9/8 of spades), by raising pot (or even slightly more).

It seems like you make value, with this hand, from getting called by hands that are almost drawing dead.

Unfortunately it looks like the large bet on the flop caused the passive player to fold.

Flop is an easy bet of close to pot. There are two players nd multiple draws possible. You are deep and want to get the most money in while the draws are most likely to call or raise because they have 2 cards to come.

Turn is a bit trickier IMO. I definitely feel like you have to bet. The only hands that are now ahead of you are 97, and Q9. Assuming villain plays suited combos but not offsuit combos preflop, that's not that many combos. The reason I said it's trickier is if you bet something like $400 and villain ships. Now it's hard to put him on spades as he would usually semibluff those on the flop if he wanted to, but possibly not this deep. He could also have 88 or something like pair+FD. I still think it's a bet/call, but it's closer since so many hands that are strong would have raised flop and we are deep enough where if villain ships 400bbs the nuts start looking more and more likely.

All that being said, I bet/call $600. I want big sizing to a) set up river shove b) charge big draws the most. If he shoves, we will have almost enough direct odds against a straight to call, and adding in some possible semibluffs/worse made hands into his range it will be a clear call. If he shoves, we call and he shows us Q9, I am very sad and take a long break but still believe it's the most +EV move vs. his entire range.

If he is actually a "lagtard" instead of the more standard variety "tard", I am a little nervous OTT. Why hasn't he raised his mediocre draw/pair? Does your read give you any insight into this?

So right now you are crushed by JJ. The two straights are a possibility for LAG. In fact, these are his most likely holdings. JJ is less likely than the draw.

So he may have gotten there and if he did at least you have outs. I think I bet $350. With an insane read it is possible to escape a raise. Normally I would shove. In fact I am still planning on getting it in on the river.

I am sure you did not like the 8 and I sure don't.

just a different way of thinking but how about just limping PF as you said a lot of raising was taking place? if people werent maniacs about 3-betting then your bet is good..on this drawy board I will bet 200-220..if it was a dry I wouldnt had mind, as suggested by someone, to bet 100-120 OTF to induce a raise, but only if you have seen your villains raise a lot..

Why would 8 be bad? Only hand it makes is Q/9, or I guess we can put villain on 7/9 of spades.

Btw, I think you have given the wrong description on V1. A LAGtard would not be check/calling if he has any part of the board, unless he's super slow-playing JJ.

I think the correct description of villain is "calling station." Nevertheless, I am betting $250 or so here, and over-shove the river if the board pairs, or check behind if the board remains scary.

If villain is indeed a station, I am not worrying about getting my money in with the best hand on the river, but I would like to have room to fold on the river if he leads.

Lags like to own peoples souls and take hands away when they sense weakness. c/bomb against a lag here sometimes, otherwise just bet 3/4 pot

edit: oops, misread HH. I kinda wanna bet small to induce, have you seen him spaz before to underbets.

Turn: 667 in the pot
Effective stacks = your stack = ~ 1700.

I agree with the post about the 555 and saying triple nickel or something else suitably absurd. I think I might even bet a little bigger. Possibly something like 625, if you have a 500 chip for some reason, maybe make it 630 and say "one of each" firing out a 500, 100, 25, and 5. I'm happy to get stacks in on this turn and I think this sized bet will a good size to make villain think that he has fold equity.


We're almost certainly ahead now, but with this villain and his wide range, about half of the deck is going to give me an ulcer on the river if we bet something like 350-400 to give a relatively cheap turn card.

*grunch

flop - bet 200 to 250. checked to you on a wet board.

V2 (WEAK TAG) - i know it's a cliche, but reading him for AK after min raise then check. gutless lack of c-betting from him, but w/e
V1 (LAG) - random at this point.

turn (667) - sweet. LAG is in. I'm not even thinking that this guy might have hit huge, I'm just hoping he hit something and wants to come along for the ride. every card beyond this point is irrelevant, I only care about getting his chips...except obv on the most disgustingly coordinated turn/river (two spades, 89 etc)

V1 plays tight on the river, but chases every draw? great. bet large ~600. no reason whatsoever to slowplay. he'll call.

river?

post grunch edit: disagree with all the 555+speech plays. keep it simple and in round figures that numbnuts understands. 6 black chips seems less than 555 to this guy.

I think the 8 is bad because the villain has been described as calling a very wide range. In that case Q9 and 79 can be part of his pre-flop range (ATC), amd certainly part of his flop calling range (draws).

It's not like I am seeing monsters under the bed, just keeping it in the back of my head.

Slow played JJ are unlikely, and there's nothing to do about them any way.

In either case the only way a fold is possible is with a very, very, good read. So good it may only be a theoretically possible read, as opposed to something that happens in real life.

bet a bunch and probably don't fold.

Hero checks(Flame on)

River 3

V1 bets $300

Hero?

No underbetting going on here, just alot of stacks moving around.

snaps.

after you check turn (for w/e reason) you can't fold here. it's so massively underrepping our hand that folding river now is pretty indefensible.