Ok, then I'm b/f'ing turn. Imo, it's +EV betting the turn, whether it's b/f or he just flats and you evaluate river.

Can someone do the math on this one? I'm just curious to see what the numbers look like after either checking turn, calling river; checking turn, jamming river; b/f'ing turn; betting turn and b/c'ing river; betting turn, folding to an open shove OTR.

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I see too many Q/9 and 7/9 from super loose villains in these spots, these hands are what dreams are made of, and how super stacks are made.

Committing on the turn against a super loose and passive villain is silly in this spot without leaving an exit.

Need I remind everyone that this is a $500 max table and hero is sitting on 4x the max buy-in?

$300 put out by V1 so far does NOTHING to narrow his range.

JJ, 7/9, and Q/9 are all within the range of a player of such description.

I understand the check very well and I could see myself doing it as well.

Call is fine. I am sure you had some kind of read at this point.

checkraisin flop would be terrible.. 225-250 otf would be a great bet

Well I think, based on your turn check and his lead on the river, we saw the result coming. You must have had some kind of read on the flop/turn.

So he made a bad call on the flop, but that happens all the time at 2-5 tables.

You lost the minimum amount of $ and had set yourself up to win max.

It's a pretty good outcome. You saved a bunch of $ which is pure profit in my eyes.

I mean the only way, in retrospect, to have won is a flop shove. And this guy still may have called.

How was it a bad call on the flop with open-ender?

+1 to what quesuerte has been saying. Checking back this turn is very weak-tight. If you play like this you are missing massive value. If you had bet the turn you can get called by worse a lot. You can get semi-bluff raised sometimes. Yes, you will get stacked sometimes, but that's OK because overall your line is +EV vs. a LAG, more plus EV than checking back. If you are uncomfortable with the money, change tables if you aren't willing to bet 2nd set on a wet turn....

As played, raise his river bet to $750-800. Your hand is super under-repped and you can get value from two-pair or a TP that thinks you are bluff-raising a missed draw sinceit's hard to put you on TPTK+ after your turn check on this texture...

Just read the spoiler, and wanted to say that with that knowledge I still take exactly the line I have suggested above (b/c turn). I have already assumed that straights were in his range in my analysis, just not enough combos vs. other combos for a LAG.

Think about how often the outcome is going to be very different (he has an FD and hits the river, he has 88 and flush comes OTR and he doesn't payoff, he has JT, he has AJ, etc). You are missing so much value from not betting that it more than offsets the times that you save your stack like you did in this hand.

Now, if this guy were not a LAG, I would be much more inclined to b/f the turn. If he is passive then his shove on the turn would be too weighted towards hands that beat us. But with a LAG I think b/c > b>f > check.

I can see that 4x max buy-in mean little to some of you.

Is my math wrong?

$267 in pot
$200 Bet

Pot is offering 2.33 to 1 and open end is 8 outs or 30% chance to hit.

So not getting proper odds.

I guess you can factor in implied odds to hit. But hero is a good player so implied odds should be less.

We have to assume hero slowed down on turn because he had a read. He has not commented on this. Some people I know could fold the river as played. I could not, but my better friends can make those kinds of laydown.

Triple nickel lol

You laugh, but I have a common open of one of each color of chip in play in tournaments which I call "the rainbow" and claim it's lucky because "it leads to a pot of gold." You'd be surprised how big I can open without it causing suspicion.