My first PAHWM, not sure how often to update. Every couple hours?

$3/$5NL, 9 handed

Villain 1 has been at the table for about an hour and has played mostly tight and passive. I've only seen him involved in one pot, where he overlimped in the CO with J8s, flatted a bet on the flop with a pair+flush draw, flatted again when he turned trips, then bet 1/2 pot on the river when checked to after the flush missed.

Villain 2 is super fishy. Very loose, mostly passive, no understanding of relative hand strength. She will chase just about anything, especially gutters and flushes, and alrleady in the session I've seen her jam in spots where there was no way she gets called by worse (jammed with bottom 2 on a straight board, overbet jammed with a straight on a flush board). Huge valuebet target, she'll call with any piece of the board.

Hero is seen as tight but sometimes FOS (been caught cbetting with air a couple of times).

Hero is deal 67 in the BB.

EP limps, V1 limps in MP, V2 limps on the button, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop ($20 after drop): T76

SB checks. Hero?

Play it fast and bet the pot, $20. It's a coordinated board, and bottom two is easily counterfeited.

Effective stacks?

Agree with mxp you can't play bottom two pair too fast. If you think you're playing them fast, play faster.

Pot it.

My bad, added stack sizes.

My thinking was the same - play it fast.

$3/$5NL, 9 handed

Effective stacks $450

Villain 1 has been at the table for about an hour and has played mostly tight and passive. I've only seen him involved in one pot, where he overlimped in the CO with J8s, flatted a bet on the flop with a pair+flush draw, flatted again when he turned trips, then bet 1/2 pot on the river when checked to after the flush missed.

Villain 2 is super fishy. Very loose, mostly passive, no understanding of relative hand strength. She will chase just about anything, especially gutters and flushes, and alrleady in the session I've seen her jam in spots where there was no way she gets called by worse (jammed with bottom 2 on a straight board, overbet jammed with a straight on a flush board). Huge valuebet target, she'll call with any piece of the board.

Hero is seen as tight but sometimes FOS (been caught cbetting with air a couple of times).

Hero is deal 67 in the BB.

EP limps, V1 limps in MP, V2 limps on the button, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop ($20 after drop): T76

SB checks. Hero bets $20. V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn ($80): 2

Hero?

Bet 60

I'm not stopping.

$75

We have blockers to sets. If someone has exactly 89 good for him. 10x fits sooooo many limping ranges that I am feeling pretty comfortable in this spot. (K10, Q10, j10, 10 9)

I think you wait a few hours or even the next day on the PAHWM. Whenever you have a range of differing answers. I'm sure this spot will be debated on sizing as well as check/calling (which I personally feel is bad here)

If you want to ride or die with bottom two pair there actually could be an argument for sliding in a stack here, and over shipping river. But that's a bit excessive.

definitely lead flop. the turn looks harmless, so dont stop there like Avarita said. result?

c/c is obviously bad but b/f vs. b/shove is a legitimate question imo. Personally I want to fold to an MP raise and shove over a BTN raise, but if MP flats and then BTN raises over things get pretty dicey. I probably fold in that situation but it's an interesting spot.

Though maybe advance planning for every possible contingency, while a good idea at the table, is against the spirit of PAHWM.

bet, i'll think about folding when raised. 60.

Played well so far. I'd bet $100 (or $120 if you think they don't really notice if you overbet) on the turn since it sounds like V2 won't fold and you are very likely ahead. I'm a little worried about V1 but at this point your goal should be to get V2's stack in the middle.

I don't think we can focus too heavily on V2's stack just yet since V1 is sticking around. That said I like a bet of 70 here. I would keep betting until either one of the players showed some aggression. If I get raised at any point, I'm insta-folding.

why would you consider checking against passive opponents?

easy b/f.

So far we're all pretty much on the same page. Here's the fun part:

$3/$5NL, 9 handed

Effective stacks $450

Villain 1 has been at the table for about an hour and has played mostly tight and passive. I've only seen him involved in one pot, where he overlimped in the CO with J8s, flatted a bet on the flop with a pair+flush draw, flatted again when he turned trips, then bet 1/2 pot on the river when checked to after the flush missed.

Villain 2 is super fishy. Very loose, mostly passive, no understanding of relative hand strength. She will chase just about anything, especially gutters and flushes, and alrleady in the session I've seen her jam in spots where there was no way she gets called by worse (jammed with bottom 2 on a straight board, overbet jammed with a straight on a flush board). Huge valuebet target, she'll call with any piece of the board.

Hero is seen as tight but sometimes FOS (been caught cbetting with air a couple of times).

Hero is deal 67 in the BB.

EP limps, V1 limps in MP, V2 limps on the button, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop ($20 after drop): T76

SB checks. Hero bets $20. V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn ($80): 2

Hero bets $60, V1 thinks for about 2 seconds and calls, V2 checks her cards and calls.

I got a bit of a live read from V1 when he called only in the sense that he did not consider folding at all. At this point I'm pretty sure he has a made hand, but I don't actually know what he considers to be a made hand here.

V2 is being fishy and chasing something. Could be diamonds, could be a gutter, could be K7 looking for 2 pair.

River ($260): 4

Hero?

b/f smallish, like 120-140

This unless stack sizes are weird

I c/c here (anything less than $200) most of the time, mainly because it's multi way.

Check

Since the described opponents will pretty much never bluff but can definitely call with worse, b/f $150.

I was really torn here between bet/folding and checking to see if V1 bet and/or V2 raised. I decided to check, but in hindsight I think bet/folding would have been a better play.

Anybody fold the river here?

$3/$5NL, 9 handed

Effective stacks $450

Villain 1 has been at the table for about an hour and has played mostly tight and passive. I've only seen him involved in one pot, where he overlimped in the CO with J8s, flatted a bet on the flop with a pair+flush draw, flatted again when he turned trips, then bet 1/2 pot on the river when checked to after the flush missed.

Villain 2 is super fishy. Very loose, mostly passive, no understanding of relative hand strength. She will chase just about anything, especially gutters and flushes, and alrleady in the session I've seen her jam in spots where there was no way she gets called by worse (jammed with bottom 2 on a straight board, overbet jammed with a straight on a flush board). Huge valuebet target, she'll call with any piece of the board.

Hero is seen as tight but sometimes FOS (been caught cbetting with air a couple of times).

Hero is deal 67 in the BB.

EP limps, V1 limps in MP, V2 limps on the button, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop ($20 after drop): T76

SB checks. Hero bets $20. V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn ($80): 2

Hero bets $60, V1 thinks for about 2 seconds and calls, V2 checks her cards and calls.

I got a bit of a live read from V1 when he called only in the sense that he did not consider folding at all. At this point I'm pretty sure he has a made hand, but I don't actually know what he considers to be a made hand here.

V2 is being fishy and chasing something. Could be diamonds, could be a gutter, could be K7 looking for 2 pair.

River ($260): 4

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets $100.

Hero?

We're getting 3.6-1 on a call so we don't have to be right a ton of the time, but still a fair amount. Problem is we don't close the action. Against 1 villain I'm usually calling, but against two not automatic. I have to think one is on a draw, and both draws got there otr. And then red flags go off when the passive player finally becomes aggressive into two villains, after calling all the way down and the draw hits. Screams I got there to me. Unless villain decided to bluff the scare card into 2 players, giving amazing odds...unlikely. Also let us not forget it's a limped pot. Anything goes and I don't go broke in limped pots...usually lol. I think if we view the hand as a whole and look at V2's actions this almost becomes a trivial fold. C/c,c/c,bet when draw get there sounds like passive fish drawing, and then getting there.

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Not sure if a call is +EV or not (I suspect it is given the price we're getting, but I could be wrong) but from a line design standpoint imo b/f>c/f therefore you should only check if c/c>b/f therefore you have to call when the more threatening player checks and the less threatening one bets small, since if you're not calling this bet you're not calling anything.

This is a prime example of why we b/f.

Only take c/c lines against ******ed aggros that hang themselves with 9 high.

We all do it sometimes, the flawed logic of "if I bet, I don't want to be raised off my hand". So we check. But, if you bet $100 here, and get raised, you can happily fold, sleep great, etc etc. Bc a raise is never worse in this situation.

Now, you are calling in the dark. Are you good? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how much v2 can overvalue a hand I suppose. But if you call this you should have led this. I'm guessing you realize that now which is a part of why you posted.

As played I probably call for the sole purpose of punishing myself for not leading.

Winning $100 whilst getting to see villain's hand> winning $100 whilst not getting to see villain's hand>Losing $100 whilst getting to see villain's hand> losing $100 and not seeing villain's hand