LOL - you go girl. When you represent the facts as presented correct, we'll move on to your analysis.

I don't understand what you are saying here, other than you are calling me a girl to insult me, I guess. Good one.

I don't have time to analyze all of the faulty thinking in your posts. I'd have to go line by line.

Just to start with, your first line in your original post is as follows:

"I hate 3B! OOP with AA when the table knows to put me on QQ+."

You practically never have to 3 bet out of position (unless you are in the blinds) because you should be opening the pot for a raise. You should be 2 betting and 4 betting from EP.

In fact, in this example, you were UTG. You literally never have to 3 bet from UTG.

The idea that you start this post saying how much you hate 3 betting Aces from bad position, when you are UTG, doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't make sense because you chose the very course of action that would most likely require you to 3 bet Aces OOP ... and your assertion is that you HATE 3 betting Aces out of position.

I could go on. That same paragraph has other examples of problematic thought processes.
--You are not one of the good players at the table. (THIS IS A PROBLEM).
--villains routinely take you to the river and bluff all in, forcing you to fold.
--villains know they can push you off hands.
--you have called them down a few times and they have stacked you. (DOESN'T THIS MEAN THEY WERE NOT BLUFFING?).

NEXT PARAGRAPH: You say, "I have been playing passive, mostly due to cards."

You just got AA and you played it passive, extremely passive. It's not the cards. It's you.

I've got to go. I don't have time to go through all of your posts on this hand and pull out every comment of yours that demonstrates faulty, problematic thinking. You could benefit from talking to a coach.

we agree. Moving on

Sorry, I couldn't get past this point.

I agree that it's a problem that the good players who have position on you can put you on such a narrow range. However, your solution should not be to play so passively, not if your goal is to become one of the good players. The solution should be to be less predictable by sometimes raising other hands. The range wonks say to include some suited wheel-aces and a few rank coverage hands like 98s and 76s. Not all of these, but pick a few, like maybe black A4s, red A5s, A2 of diamonds, 76 of clubs, and red 98s.

If you're deeper than 350 BBs, the strategy changes to 3betting your entire continuing range at a percentage, which means you are now just calling with some premiums. But until you're that deep it isn't important to limit pot with those; you'll have an SPR under 2, so just plan to get it in.

Now look what happens with your tough opponents. They think they can put you on a hand with 100% confidence, so they decide they can push you off when the flop comes 267 with two spade. They don't have any part of that, but they "know" that you don't and they can push you off. When the turn is an offsuit T, they jam and are suddenly sick when you call with 67 or 89 or A4ss. This gets them to slow down this behavior in the future, so when you do have AA on these ugly boards, it still wins much closer to its expected percentage.

Zag - I agree.




Those are definitely a part of my game and I added them after a lot of reading and study during the COVID shutdown. But, with rare exception, I've only done those IP on 2/5. From EP in 1/2, I have been experimenting with 3! pre with those hands. I'm working on it.

That's exactly what I did. He called the $200.

River was a close to perfect J which I felt had to give him either Broadway or a K boat. Since it is a trivial shove at this point...He called my river jam with nut straight.

I got super lucky to salvage a bad start.

I wanted to see if you and madlex agreed with my sizing. Thanks for confirming.

Noob perspective:

I posted a hand a few weeks ago where I bet/called (declined to 4-bet) pre with AA and that was playing it too slow. The limp/call here is way, way too passive.

I mean, I suppose once you've limped and been bet into, a raise would look suspicious. But still, I'd be trying to pile money in here against an opponent who -- per your description -- is unusually enthusiastic about his hand.

Flop: Once you've taken this line, you've basically committed to trapping and leading out here would just look weird. Check in flow planning to check/call and reevaluate on later streets. Maybe he has a K. But he could also have QQ and value-own himself. Smooth-calling his $30 bet is fine, I think a raise is too ambitious here and a fold way too nitty.

Turn: Nice turn. I think this still has to be a check, with intention to check/raise. If the ace scares him and he checks, you probably weren't getting value from a donk lead here anyway. If he bets, your options are: A) min-click it back and hope he's willing to call down with a non-ace pair, or B) raise to 200-ish and hope he has a K or QJ and will play for stacks. Thinking it over, this has to be option B since you probably don't get much more value out of anything else anyway, might as well go for the home run.

So once he bets 75, I'd raise to 200, maybe bigger.

Once he calls your raise, he's told you like 3-4 times that he really likes his hand and you can jam river and expect a call with a K (possibly a worse boat) or maybe a straight.

But yeah, this would have been a lot more straightforward with an open raise pre.

Grunch

Problem with limp reraising in EP is unless you chronically open limp then people know exactly what's up when you limp. Now when you got a fish on the line you called. Only reason to open limp then call a raise with AA is to protect a range to you often open limp and call with which you shouldn't have anyways.

On flop, just check call. You aren't scared of any cards on the turn so if he checks back whatever. Keep his worse hands in.

The description of the open sizes and how much people have behind it sounds like a wild game in Texas. Not trying to bully, but if you aren't comfortable putting it on the line pre with AA in a game like this you need to go back to 1/3 because you are butchering the hand you've been waiting for all day.

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Fair point but I had AA 4 times that day, played the other 3 all fairly standard, and I just scratched an itch to randomize my game.