To those who advise the donk, we're planning to bet every street after that if called, correct?

Bet 18 watch fire works. Qj qk hands

It's really not a bad idea to play ABC and always set-mine with small PPs in these spots. Much lower variance, and most probably wouldn't notice much difference in win rate in most of these games.

Obviously I think that villain's opening range is rather wide, and in combination with the passive tendency of most of these LLSNL tables, I think it makes more sense to turn 66 into a bluff against these flop monkeys, and c-bet to take down the pot on most flops.

Even if it fails, it does serve to the benefit of our image for future value bets in similar spots.

Of course I don't recommend to take this line often, but to never take this line is simply too passive IMO.

I think you got it completely backwards. One should never 3-bet a tight UTG open with 66, because that's pretty much just burning money and you'll probably never see the flop.

As played at 75BB, I am playing this hand fast. There are a lot of cards that might slow down villain on turn, and if villain's range is wide, we won't be able to get money in the middle post-flop without coolering ourselves.

Since donking isn't going to put our stack in the middle by turn, I would go with CR in this spot.

CR to around $60 and shove turn.

Correct

$1/2 NL, 8 players

Table:
I've been at a table full of mostly older nitty types for about an hour. Most players are weak/tight/passive. I'm half the age of most of the table and wearing a hoodie, and I get the impression that it puts the fear into a lot of these farts: I think I smell urine leaking out of an adult diaper.

I haven't shown a hand yet. Most significant hand I played so far I raised to $16 from the button after several limpers, 3 players call (including both villains in this hand). Ace-high flop, checks around, I check behind (I don't have an ace). Turn is a 4, checks to me again, I bet 1/3 pot and take it down.

Villain 1 (UTG) $300: In his 50s. Falls into the tight crowd, I think. I've seen him raise a couple times and take it town with a c-bet. Not sure why, maybe it's just because he's raised a couple of times instead of limping 20 times, but for some reason I have him mentally noted as slightly stronger than the other supernits.

Villain 2 (BTN) $200: Larger guy probably around 40 (keep in mind most of our luck is stored in fat cells). I have a vague memory of him making some terrible stationy plays at a table a couple months ago, I think he's a regular. He's also playing more hands than anyone else at the table and raising a lot from BTN/CO preflop. Seems to call light far too often preflop and on river ("just to keep you honest, pot odds," etc.).

Hero (SB) $150: A mere hooded babe among elders.

Preflop:
V1 UTG raises to $7, all fold to V2 in BTN, who calls.
Hero in SB with 6 6
Hero calls. BB folds.

Flop ($23):
Q 6 Q

Hero checks. V1 bets $10. V2 calls. Hero calls.

Turn ($53):
Q 6 Q K

Hero???

Is the turn card good or bad for us? Why?

You NEED to lead this turn. If you do not, it is going to check through a large % of the time. Your c/overcall on the flop was crazy talk bro. I mean you just basically announced you have a MONSTER to anyone who has a pulse.

Honestly, with your stack size i think its pretty irrelevant. Obv it was not the ideal card though. Is KQ in both villains range as played? of course...but i just dont see how its possible to get away here with just 65BB's remaining. There are way too many hands in villains ranges that we beat. AA, AQ, QJ, QT...the list goes on. Bottom line is your biggest mistake so far was on the flop. you checked, no biggie because V1 bets, but then you dont c/r after V2 calls???

Dude, you butchered this hand on the flop.

It's one thing to check hoping to raise, or to call hoping that a later player raises... but here with this action, YOU CLOSE THE ACTION! And then you bet next on the turn.

This king is a terrible card for you. Please explain the thinking behind your flop call... You've set yourself up to win the minimum or lose the maximum.

Interesting point. I didn't really think of it this way. I see that it gets more money in the pot, but do you think a check-raise makes a bigger announcement about my hand than just a call?

I agree. TBH I had a passage from Harrington's Cash Games vol. 1 in back of my mind, where he talks about slow-playing generally being wrong, with the occasional exception of full houses. In my defense, I hit a lot of houses this session, played the rest of them aggressively and got paid off for running good. So it was a winning session, but this was the made hand I probably played the worst. So this is a leak in my game I'm getting closer to plugging, but this hand made me see that I'm not quite there yet.

Now I know that these were not the optimal conditions for slow-playing. In fact, quite the opposite.

Will you explain why you think the K is a terrible card please?

Obv the c/r is a power move but it will induce over pairs and possibly even trips to spazz. Over calling means that you basically dont care what rolls off on the turn multiway OOP...which obv will set off major warning bells.

At $1/2 we bet for value. Always. There are so many leaky players out there that will call with worse that ABC always gets the money. Lead the flop.

K is a bad card because KK and KQ just got there. If we are deeper and we (correctly) take a b/f line on all streets, we might be able to get away from the underfull. However, at 75BB, we're pretty much committed.

So you're saying we should never slowplay at 1/2? On the turn you think we're committed already? Pot is $53 and I have $133 behind. If I had bet the flop, it would be a different story. As played, we're not committed...yet.

Uhh...

Can we get to the river and rest of the hand. This hand is off to the deep end, not much left to discuss.

$1/2 NL, 8 players

Table:
I've been at a table full of mostly older nitty types for about an hour. Most players are weak/tight/passive. I'm half the age of most of the table and wearing a hoodie, and I get the impression that it puts the fear into a lot of these farts: I think I smell urine leaking out of an adult diaper.

I haven't shown a hand yet. Most significant hand I played so far I raised to $16 from the button after several limpers, 3 players call (including both villains in this hand). Ace-high flop, checks around, I check behind (I don't have an ace). Turn is a 4, checks to me again, I bet 1/3 pot and take it down.

Villain 1 (UTG) $300: In his 50s. Falls into the tight crowd, I think. I've seen him raise a couple times and take it town with a c-bet. Not sure why, maybe it's just because he's raised a couple of times instead of limping 20 times, but for some reason I have him mentally noted as slightly stronger than the other supernits.

Villain 2 (BTN) $200: Larger guy probably around 40 (keep in mind most of our luck is stored in fat cells). I have a vague memory of him making some terrible stationy plays at a table a couple months ago, I think he's a regular. He's also playing more hands than anyone else at the table and raising a lot from BTN/CO preflop. Seems to call light far too often preflop and on river ("just to keep you honest, pot odds," etc.).

Hero (SB) $150: A mere hooded babe among elders.

Preflop:
V1 UTG raises to $7, all fold to V2 in BTN, who calls.
Hero in SB with 6 6
Hero calls. BB folds.

Flop ($23):
Q 6 Q

Hero checks. V1 bets $10. V2 calls. Hero calls.

Turn ($53):
Q 6 Q K
Is the turn card good or bad for us? Why?
Hero checks. Check. Check.

Why did I check again? Well, I was all wet from peeing my pants (no diaper) on the flop and got distracted. I was hoping someone paired the king and would bet again or someone would have a chance to make a back door flush (what? thinking about this after the hand...that makes no sense, but this was what I was thinking in game). This time I was actually planning to c/r. Whoops. Looks like I'm not following anyone's advice, unfortunately.

River ($53):
Q 6 Q K Q
Damn.
Hero checks, V1 bets $20, V2 tanks 15 secs and calls.
Hero??

What are villains ranges here? I'm especially interested to hear what you think V1 is holding. Try to narrow it down as much as possible, please.

It could be anything at this point...

Any small PP, Kx, case 6, Qx, or even Ax.

Result?

lol oh man you really did butcher this one but look at the bright side...you only lost what...$20? just c/f the river face down.

Narrowing down villain's range without any HHs or reads beyond your OP is like trying to guess what people have in 3/6 limit games.

The action of this hand certainly didn't help either...

As played, no we are not committed. Thanks for clarifying.

wp on flop, shove turn, fold now. ul.

Fold cards face up. Shout: "Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate." Laugh maniacally.

VS

please explain why you feel this way. Especially flop play.

Well once someone bets and another person calls, it stands to reason that one of them could easily have a Q in their hand.

Typical hands with queens that people play: AQ, KQ, QQ, QJ, maybe QT or Q9.

I don't see people play Q5, Q2, Q4 as often as these hands, do you?


Once someone bets the river and another guy calls, your hand is actually a trivially easy fold. It's not easy to play a flopped full house in such a way where you never put a single bet in and pretty much have to fold the river. Now you're playing with a single card and can only beat ace high.


LOL, since exactly zero people act between your call on the flop and your action on the turn, why would you possibly do this? Unless you're hoping that someone will, out of turn, bet in the dark once you announce "CALL" to close out the flop action.

Results:

Bolded is a leak if you were serious.