HJ V1: ~$250. Weak-tight asian guy playing a better short stack strategy than most, but not perfect. Tight pre, and fit/fold post flop. Will 3bet QQ+

CO V2: ~$750. The most regular regular at the house. I've only seen him get off the tables twice in about a five month period. He refuses to play anywhere else. Solid TAG who can open up when stacks get much deeper. Will 3bet me with AK/JJ+, maybe TT.

BTN V3: ~$750. Old Georgian man who always plays in an unbuttoned dress shirt and suit jacket while sipping wine. I played with him for a bit under an hour a week prior and after I began parlez Ruski with him, he got really friendly towards me, buying me drinks, giving me smokes, telling me when to fold b/c he has a monster, etc... Today, he does not seem to recall me at all.
His play style is eclectic. He can call ATC pre. He likes getting involved in hands, getting sticky post. However, there's no solid pattern I've yet to pick up as much of his play seems random. Sometimes he slowplays, sometimes he doesn't. I think he just gambles based on whatever feel he has during a particular hand.

UTG +1 Hero: ~$750. TAG. V2 stays out of my way unless he's got something decent.

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Hero opens $20 QQ, V1 flats, V2 flats, V3 clicks back $40, folds, Hero?

I guess 4 bet to something in the 140$-150$ area, we are OOP so not very keen on a very small 4 bet sizing here.

Looking to get called by worse and setting up a nice SPR for a stackoff on favourable flops for our hand. (Yes big Andrew Neeme fan).

Since it's doubtful any of the villains have AA or KK, I would just flat here to keep V1 and V2 in the hand. It's way more likely that someone will flop the second best hand than that someone will outflop us.

I was considering flatting for this reason. However, I don't feel comfortable acting 1st into 3 others. I mean, 41% of the time, we'll see an over-card.

Not a huge fan of going 4 ways to the flop with QQ+ being OOP and without initative in the hand. We are a substantional fav if we go heads up with QQ, but against 3 other opponents that may outflop us or flop huge draws against us our equity shrinks up.

$110/fold

Yeah i think this, even more so because V1 & V2 flat called $20

HU i call i think, depends on villain's range but i don't think villain's are folding TT & JJ to a 4! anyways + those AQs-AKs hands i guess

QQ+ and AQs+ for value 4!ing range here

So hero chooses the 4b we can get away from option...

Hero opens $20 QQ, V1 flats, V2 flats, V3 clicks back $40, folds, Hero $120, fold, fold, V3 flats

ES $750

Flop $280

578

Hero? (I'm assuming most tips will be on sizing, but if anyone checks this, I'd like to know your reasoning)

You can do whatever at this point bc you are felting this.

If he will bet with 100% frequency you can check/jam but I usually don't like relying on that option and instead opt for continuing to put money in the pot.

I'd $140 / felt.

If he flatted KK+ or somehow outflopped us good for him.

Also if this were much drier or we had red AA we can go smaller / check more.

Excellent op, looking forward to where this is going.

Liking preflop for reasons stated.

The only way I check boards like this... if I am vs. thinking players either multiway and/or very deep. And I would vastly prefer to do it with AA or KK where we are more protected. This balances your checking range and allows you to check AK/AQ/KQ/whatever more comfortably.

Heads up vs. this villain with QQ with these stacks is what I would call a mandatory bet. Somewhat difficult to range villain so far, but QQ is high up in our range and somewhat vulnerable so let's bet $150.

Agree with Ava's posts in the thread thusfar

I would also like a bet, to protect our equity and get value from various drawing hands villain can have on this board + smaller overpairs. It would be pretty bad if we checked and villain can take a free card and bink his flushdraw without putting any more money in the pot as an example.

Fire a decent sized C-bet/stackoff.

being OOP 4 handed isn't fun.. even with QQ. also, the two villains you are wanting to invite in.. one of them is short stacked. the other is a TAG.. not the type you can expect to shovel you loads of money. 4bet to isolate the erratic fun player!

what do you think about the idea of range checking this flop? we likely don't have much of a range advantage here. sure, we have AA/KK whereas villain may not because of the min bet sizing and the cold call.. but, we also likely don't have the nuts (sets/straights in our range, but they are in villain's range).. being OOP on this texture without a huge range edge.. why not check everything...

- probably won't lose value vs. flush draws/66/99-JJ (about 40 combos) b/c villain may well bluff/value bet/protection bet with all of those.
- we may induce bluffs from unpaired hands that would otherwise fold to a cbet... this would more than offset the equity we relinquish to the 3-6 outers we risk giving a free card to


thoughts?

4-bet pre, AP I like x/jamming. We're always giving up with our bluffs & AK on this flop w/o Ah/Kh, and he's betting all his overpairs anyway that we want value from. People tend to be pretty inclined to stab at these types of boards where we 4b/3b & check.

Why are you x-jamming, the SPR isn't big enough there is still at least 2 streets left to play, + if this a bad LAG who will bet entire range and spr is big then ok. X-jamming is terrible here.

OP, theory wise you should be checking range here but i don't think that matters much given villain's range and his tendency to over-call just bet half pot for 2 streets pretty ez game, and possibly 3 streets/get stacks in.

Didn't read the descrip. for v3, if for some reason he min 3! you with stuff like sc's and suited ax (don't know how often he double barrels, but he shud be betting twice with those high equity bluffs have u seen him x back turns with Nut FD after betting flop?) ill x range here yeah and GII on blank turns

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Disagree with everyone in thread, OP you should do some off-table work urself and find out (no offence but responses you get in this sub forum aren't very good sometimes...)

Uhm so if he bets $200, you're calling with $400 and SPR < 1 OTT...? That's pretty bad. He's going to check back all his weaker overpairs/most draws & realize his equity. And we're still getting stacked by his value hands if we do what you do and x/c flop & then call off most turns. And you're going to get owned by his A-high/K-high stabs that pair up OTT/OTR because you're x'ing all the way down.

Check jamming is probably the play if we expect him to bet flop like 80%+ of the time. Protects our flop check range and could get a crying call from TT etc or a hand like QJhh that feels priced in.

If we are cbetting I'm doing half pot or so

bet 165

He's either doing it with AK, AQs, and will fold or he does have a middle or over pair. The sad thing about players that will minraise pre (it's not a click back, that would be 35) is they could also flat AA to a 4bet.

Hero $200, V flats.

Turn $680

A

Hero? Only $430 behind. Didn't like that ace. V could have flatted flop w/NFD... But would a bet/fold line make any sense? What if the flop sizing was smaller?

Imo that's a bad turn not so much because he might have an ace, but because he will fold so many more hands that you beat now.

If you bet smaller on the flop, you could possibly bet small on the turn to both induce more calls from worse and re-evaluate if jammed on. But with the spr the way it is as played... your bet is either going to be small enough to give him too good odds on a call or big enough to commit yourself to the hand no matter what.

So I just shove now, even though it doesn't feel very good. Maybe checking will induce a bluff or induce a call on the river with worse... but I think it's more likely we are just a giving a free card to someone who will only put more money in if they improve. There really shouldn't be that many aces in his range unless, like you said, he had the nut flush draw. And there's only going to be a few combos of that since I don't think the majority of Ax are in his range pre.

We knew we were playing the previous streets in a way that would commit ourselves, can't really change the plan now.

What's very tricky about this hand is some bad V's will opt to play AA and KK passively instead of attempting to get it in PF, so they are both absolutely still in V's range. The min bet PF is confusing and leads me to believe V most likely has KK here instead of AA when he flats the 4bet. IMO From most likely to least, I would say V's range is:

1) KK
2) AKs
3) AA
4) QQ
5) JJ

V has played passively this hand except for the min 3bet and has let you drive the action. We are at a point in the hand where you both have close to half your stack in the middle. The A hits which means AA and AKs is less likely to be in V's range.

If you shove, AA calls, AKs calls, KK probably folds, QQ folds, JJ folds. You only get value from AKs here which turned out to be less likely when the A hit the turn, but you get V to fold KK which is most likely the hand he has here IMO. So I would shove.

I can't think of a lot of runouts on which we're folding this hand, except maybe, maybe a non-heart-9 on the turn and a T on the river? I can't think of any other ones. So about 99 percent of the time, you're going all the way with this hand.

Check-call flop/ck turn is the only option that makes no sense, because he'll get to just check back his draws and one-pair type hands back on the turn. So, your options are bet/bet/bet super small 3 streets; bet 1/2 pot on the flop and all in on the turn; or check-shove the flop. I'm not really sure any of these are better than others, and they're probably all pretty close. I would probably just bet around 170 on the flop and shove most turns.

The ace is not a great turn, obviously, but whatever. We're targeting TT/JJ/99; maybe some suited connector type stuff like T9hh, JThh. If he made it to the turn with an ace in his hand or has KK or 88, just pay him -- pay zat man his mahney.

If you're really worried about losing action, you can bet 230 on the turn and 200 on the river. Or you can bet 340 now for half pot, and bet the other 90 on the river, lol. That way, he's never going to fold any pair+draw type hand. Or you can just shove. But basically, it just doesn't matter, as long as you don't check the turn. He should have enough combos of worse in his range that even if he folds some of them now, you're getting the right odds to stack off.

He's not an old man nit; OP describes him as a bit of a gambler. So he's probably not folding KK. Also, his most likely holdings are more like TT/JJ/99. He 4-bets KK/AA at least some of the time, and with an ace on the board, AA is a lot less likely.