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PAHWM 5/10 T7s 4 handed PAHWM 5/10 T7s 4 handed

01-27-2017 , 02:41 PM
I should have hearts.
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01-27-2017 , 02:49 PM
Easy open with button description. Close otherwise. $30. Def no reason to open larger.

Easy cbet flop.
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01-27-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
€5/€10

New game, waiting on others to arrive.

Hero is dealt T7

Hero? What is everyone's opening range here? 25% 30% 35% 40%?
ATC and double barreling virtually any board I think of except like KQJccc. People play waaaay too snug when a table opens and esp shorthanded. Unless you know for a fact one of these guys is a wizard, just plow into them until you get some resistance.

Edit AP bet pot and then bet pot again and then bet pot again
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01-27-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
ATC and double barreling virtually any board I think of except like KQJccc. People play waaaay too snug when a table opens and esp shorthanded. Unless you know for a fact one of these guys is a wizard, just plow into them until you get some resistance.

Edit AP bet pot and then bet pot again and then bet pot again
Somehow I think that's your advice on just about every hand.
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01-27-2017 , 03:09 PM
I go $35 on the flop. Get called by worse and not much worse will C/R
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01-27-2017 , 03:38 PM
V1 - BTN is playing too tight for short handed but again too early to tell
V2- SB playing loose as expected
V3- BB seems to be the better of them, he has raised 2x but CO/BTN. C-bet and folds each time.

4 handed:

CO Hero (little over €1000)
v1 BTN - little under €1k
v2 SB - little under €1k
v3 BB - maybe €1100


Hero is dealt T7


Well, I raised.

I made it $30 everyone folds but BB.


Flop (€65):748

Villain 3 Checks Hero bets €40 Villain calls.

Turn (€145) T

Villain checks Hero?
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01-27-2017 , 03:43 PM
$105
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01-27-2017 , 04:17 PM
Are you calling a c/r on the flop?
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01-27-2017 , 04:46 PM
Played well. Keep betting.

I'd remove weaker Kxo and Qxs hands and add sc and suited one-gappers. Less RIO and more big play potential.
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01-27-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Are you calling a c/r on the flop?
No. Hero should fold to a c/r because villain's range crushes SPNK. Flop bet/fold is good.
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01-27-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Somehow I think that's your advice on just about every hand.
Haha it makes you "unreadable"

AP this is bet even a bit more than pot for me
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01-27-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
No. Hero should fold to a c/r because villain's range crushes SPNK. Flop bet/fold is good.
Yeah maybe if the 4 or 8 were a heart.
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01-27-2017 , 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Are you calling a c/r on the flop?
I am.


...and I'm about to at least call a ck-r ott. I'd bet big here.
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01-27-2017 , 05:16 PM
Yeah, OTT I'd bet about $120.
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01-27-2017 , 05:22 PM
Check flop, unless you think villain overfolds/overcalls this flop, which is very possible. As played bet turn.

Last edited by Jarretman; 01-27-2017 at 05:27 PM.
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01-27-2017 , 06:41 PM
I like the open. Flop is fine to either bet or check back. I guess I'm more inclined to bet because we don't have any back door flush possibilities.

Turn needs to be a bet. I'd probably go around $125/130, we need to charge draws on this turn.
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01-27-2017 , 06:53 PM
What if most players fold a draw to a big bet on turn, but always bluff rivers when they miss.

Villain could also check turn and river and be forced to station off a sizable river bet with any decent piece bc of our turn check back... again most players find folds on turns when facing heat unless they have it.

Looking back at the hand he has a lot of 89, 910, and combo diamonds that isn't folding on the turn. Guess you gotta bet something. It's gonna suck getting raised tho

Last edited by Tiltyjoker; 01-27-2017 at 07:02 PM.
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01-27-2017 , 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
What if most players fold a draw to a big bet on turn, but always bluff rivers when they miss.

Villain could also check turn and river and be forced to station off a sizable river bet with any decent piece bc of our turn check back... again most players find folds on turns when facing heat unless they have it.
If they fold their draw then they fold their equity in the pot, which isn't terrible. If we give them a free card they realize their equity for free and then when we call river we are paying off their made hand some % of the time.

Also would have to disagree that people are more likely to bluff rivers than call turn with draws to the nuts.
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01-27-2017 , 07:02 PM
Preflop my raising range would be pretty close to the second one posted except probably all Axo, not K7o or Q8o, throw in 98o and possible 87o, I'd take out a few of the weaker Kxs and Qxs and throw in probably 54s+ and maybe 86s. Obviously getting these margins exactly right with these hands isn't particularly important, EV is most likely somewhere between +- $1.

In flop situations like this I prefer betting with a large portion of my range if BB doesn't not x/r barrel off at high frequency. Obviously with our specific hand we benefit from preventing a large percentage of villains range realizing some equity, so I'd bet 35-45.

Turn is very close imo but I'm leaning towards betting again fairly large. V probably has something like 15-20 combos of flush draws (some with a pair or straight draw as well), 7 combos of pairs+oesds, 7 combos of pairs+gs, and a decent amount of one pair hands. Realistically V has about 20 combos of hands that beat us if he doesn't raise some of them otf. I'd bet somewhere between 100-115 and think we're getting called by most of the pairs with draws or strongish draws (that are less likely to call some rivers) and I'd be checking a lot of rivers back. If villain is capable of raising draws at a high frequency or is at all likely to raise a hand like 97ss this is probably a check.



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01-27-2017 , 10:38 PM
Bet-folding the flop is extremely exploitable by any decent player.
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01-27-2017 , 10:51 PM
Raise pre 4handed

Flop is bet - but can check vs players who like to bluff, and also if you get raised it sucks.

As played turn is a bet. $110/call if he raises
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01-28-2017 , 03:34 AM
V1 - BTN is playing too tight for short handed but again too early to tell
V2- SB playing loose as expected
V3- BB seems to be the better of them, he has raised 2x but CO/BTN. C-bet and folds each time.

4 handed:

CO Hero (little over €1000)
v1 BTN - little under €1k
v2 SB - little under €1k
v3 BB - maybe €1100


Hero is dealt T7


Well, I raised.

I made it $30 everyone folds but BB.


Flop (€65):748

Villain 3 Checks Hero bets €40 Villain calls.

Turn (€145) T

Villain checks Hero bets €90 Villain raises to €225 Hero?
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01-28-2017 , 04:27 AM
Shove
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01-28-2017 , 04:42 AM
Any interest in a raise to like €450 and checking back rivers?


I think shoving is the 2nd worst option.
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01-28-2017 , 05:00 AM
I don't want to call and I don't want to fold and a 450 click is just a click. I think it's a very tough call and he has a bunch of hands I'd prefer not to all to see a river.
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