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PAHWM 44 flop set, turn quads VS LAG reg PAHWM 44 flop set, turn quads VS LAG reg

06-26-2014 , 12:06 PM
Playing 1/2 in Naples FL
Hero is 20yo White male and one of the youngest players in the entire room has been at the table for roughly 2 hours, playing ABC poker nothing fancy up nearly $150 only shown down premium hands. stack=$350

Villain is 40-50yo white male LAG has already lost 2 buy ins at 200 a piece by bluffing and being a calling station. stack=$225

Hero is UTG+1 and limps with 44, UTG +2, and CO both limp, Villain calls on the button so 4 players including myself see the flop

Flop: 4x10xAx (9$)
I check because I know for almost certain that villain is going to stab at this pot no matter his range so I'm going to try and trap him on the turn and river.
UTG+2 checks as does CO, and my feeling was correct Villain on the button bets pot. I call & UTG+2 and CO both fold so its HU

Turn: 4x (bingo!) ($26)
Hero bets $25, and is almost instantly raised to $80
I tank for a moment and sigh call

River: Ax ($180) Villain has $135 left
Hero leads for $120 and villain raises the last of his stack, I instacall and villain is completely shocked when I show him my quads, he mucks.

My question to all of you is, are there any noticeable flaws in my play and if so how can I fix these.. Thanks to everyone who replies!
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06-26-2014 , 12:13 PM
don´t sigh call.
any reasons to lead turn, and esp, river, other than zomg quads? personally, i think the river lead is very bad.
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06-26-2014 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
don´t sigh call.
any reasons to lead turn, and esp, river, other than zomg quads? personally, i think the river lead is very bad.
Idk, a check after calling a raise is fishy if the board isnt draw heavy

Considering the $ villain put in compared to his remaining stack, hes prob not going to lay down a hand he could call the turn with. If he has an ace hes calling or a boat hes calling. Anything else hed check back anyway. Im ok w the lead
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06-26-2014 , 12:35 PM
I would have given up after your sigh call unless I had a boat. I probably would have bet $90 - $100 on river, but that's trivial. The sigh call is usually a sign of strength, as it was here
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06-26-2014 , 12:50 PM
pre: ya sure. I like to set mine.
flop: You're not quite thinking about this correctly. If you check raise the villain, you aren't ever getting called by the other two unless they were planning on c/r themselves and in that case you're looking at a set over set situation. Since you're first to act after V, it's far better to just lead this yourself and pick up calls +whatever villain decides to do. It's better to have 3 $50 calls then 1 $100 call. Right?

Turn: once you've just called the flop you should just let him bet for you. One more bet from him and it's likely all going in anyway.
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06-26-2014 , 12:52 PM
You got his whole stack. It was the best river you could ask for. Sweet thread...
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06-26-2014 , 12:55 PM
If villain is any good at reading people, the sigh/call announces 4X or better. A decent villain gets away from anything weaker then a boat on river and the boats where never folding anyway.

Preflop and flop are OK, though you should lead this flop fairly often. Leading something smallish that can get a call and temp LAG to bluff raise can be very profitable in this sort of situation. If the board has a flush draw, then lead big almost every time. Since you describe villain as a station, I like the lead on turn. You want to get as much money in the pot as possible and you don't want to risk villain bluffing something small. If villain has nothing on an ace high board your not getting more then 1 more smallish bet and if villain does have a big hand you want to exploit his stationary tendencies. If there is a flush draw possible on turn I might shove depending on how likely villain is to call with the draw. On river, I would actually either bet less or just move all in. $90 is a good size, half the pot gets called wider and he might think he has some FE if he shoves over top. If your going bigger then that, you might as well just move in, because only the worst villains are raising with less then AA/TT here but you might get called by more.
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06-26-2014 , 12:59 PM
Thanks to everyone for their insight on this hand!
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06-26-2014 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9
Idk, a check after calling a raise is fishy if the board isnt draw heavy

Considering the $ villain put in compared to his remaining stack, hes prob not going to lay down a hand he could call the turn with. If he has an ace hes calling or a boat hes calling. Anything else hed check back anyway. Im ok w the lead
if he has an A, he is betting anyway. if he has anything but, he surely is not going to call a 120 bet from hero with a 135 stack, and he surely is not raising as a bluff after hero led 120. all that 120 bet accomplishes is shutting down the LAG bluffs, and getting it in vs the part of his range you would get it in anyway, no matter what you did.
hero just happened to cooler villain in this hand.
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06-26-2014 , 02:22 PM
the $120 strongly hints toward hero being at least partially unaware of what is going on at the table.
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06-26-2014 , 02:33 PM
lead $10 on flop. dont lead turn if you think he'll barrel. on river checking is way better. if he's bluffing for whatever reason, give him a chance to bluff. If he has Ax, he's betting anyways. IF you do bet, push all in, you're leaving $15 on the table by betting $120 only
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06-26-2014 , 10:45 PM
Lead the flop for $12. He's bad and laggy he's raising or calling with any piece otf. No one will notice it's larger than pot sized bet but those couple of dollars mean a lot later in the hand. I like 3! All in on the turn better than calling the raise and then betting 80% of his stack on the river. That leaves him no room to bluff and even a bad player won't stack off without AK+. When I flop a set I try to size my bets to get the most money possible out of top pair weak kicker if it's heads up in a limped pot.
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