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02-13-2016 , 03:31 PM
Hero (BB): Handsome 30´s regular. Have 10-30 hours with each of the Villians in the hand, decent notes, over 3 or 4 months. Have been at the table for 90 minutes, voluntarily put money in only one time (pf squeeze in a double straddled pot). Haven´t seen a flop with cards yet. Presumably a nitty image.~$1100

V1 (MP1): 40's MAWG Rec fish.
-Likely to stack off with overpairs and TPTK.
-Varies his opening sizing by the strength of his hand. Premiums get big sizing. Also goes big with TT and JJ, possibly 88/99, because he is afraid of playing multiway. KQ/AJ, probably AQ are getting a smaller sizing. Smaller pairs and suited cards get a smaller again blocker/sweetener sizing.
-Showdown monkey tendencies. Not going for thin value. Needs a nuttish hand to be making big bets or raises OTR
-POW when facing small sizing/big pot odds. Faced with min raises/small bets (1/3-1/4PSB) observed calling down with middle pair that was obviously not good. He can fold marginal hands when faced with big bets.
-His value sizing seems to usually be 1/2pot, possibly ''same bet'' OTR. Doesn't adjust for board texture, stack sizes, etc etc.
-Cbets a lot, some monkey betting
~$1500

V2/V3 (HJ,CO):
Calling stations. ~$1K

UTG+2:
loose and limpy rec player. ~$500


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OTTH:

UTG+2 limps $5, V1 raises to $30 MP1 (Big sizing for the game), V2 and V3 call in HJ/CO, SB folds, hero peeks down at QJ in the BB and?
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 03:50 PM
OOP with deep stacks and a draw-type hand? My preference is to fold, but I play an admittedly nittier game than most people here.

Having said that, I love QJs but I prefer to raise with it IP rather than call a raise oop. I would also prefer to be closing the action here.

I'm guessing most will say call here but I prefer not to get into these spots if I don't have to.

What's your plan for winning the pot post flop?
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 04:06 PM
This is a drawy hand that plays better deep stacked multiway. We're getting (30+30+30+5+5=100) 4 to 1 on a call with probably much better implied odds. This seems like a very easy snap call. I'm looking for 2 spades, 2 pair, or an OESD in order to continue. Probably not playing either the spades or OESD aggressively (unless we have a pair + spades) since we're likely flipping at best but will xr two pair and GII on almost every board.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 04:20 PM
Stationary clients leans me to calling PF. I could fold as well against tight aggros and OMCs. Other option....doesn't looks so good imo.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 04:24 PM
Call.
Bink.
Get paid.

Soumds like we have little fold equity post flop so plan to get there and get paid when we do, but shy away from semi-bluffing flops. Esp since we suspect that he has a strong opening range given the sizing.

Any one pair hand here is going to end up losing us money, so we need to be prepared to fold top pair most of the time unless we have combo draws, solid back doord draws and good odds to continue.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 04:30 PM
This is a hand that plays very well multi way. It's a hand that you really don't want to 3b/f (you can't 3b/gii or 3b/c) so it's an obvious call here. Folding is ridiculous.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 04:49 PM
Flat call seems good. We have pretty good reads and deep stacks. We are going multi way for sure. Flat and play poker.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Any one pair hand here is going to end up losing us money, so we need to be prepared to fold top pair most of the time unless we have combo draws, solid back door draws and good odds to continue.
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PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
This is a hand that plays very well multi way. It's a hand that you really don't want to 3b/f (you can't 3b/gii or 3b/c) so it's an obvious call here. Folding is ridiculous.
I agree. Easy call. Squeezing this many opponents this deep is not going to good for us as we will play a big pot oop against possibly multiple opponents and folding getting 4:1 is awful.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 08:52 PM
Easy flat.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Call.
Bink.
Get paid.

Soumds like we have little fold equity post flop so plan to get there and get paid when we do, but shy away from semi-bluffing flops. Esp since we suspect that he has a strong opening range given the sizing.

Any one pair hand here is going to end up losing us money, so we need to be prepared to fold top pair most of the time unless we have combo draws, solid back doord draws and good odds to continue.
Exactly this.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 09:05 PM
Call.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
This is a drawy hand that plays better deep stacked multiway. We're getting (30+30+30+5+5=100) 4 to 1 on a call with probably much better implied odds. This seems like a very easy snap call. I'm looking for 2 spades, 2 pair, or an OESD in order to continue. Probably not playing either the spades or OESD aggressively (unless we have a pair + spades) since we're likely flipping at best but will xr two pair and GII on almost every board.
This covers everything
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 09:56 PM
Not always calling in this situation but between fishy raiser, deep stacks and pot odds calling here sometimes hoping for a good flop is fine. From the button I would pretty much always see this flop but OOP hero has to hope to hit the flop pretty hard.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 10:13 PM
Wouldn't hate on a fold, but calling all day.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 10:15 PM
What is PAHWM?
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-13-2016 , 10:41 PM
Play A Hand With Me
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 02:41 AM
Based on read we are assuming lots of TT+ in v range. 3! Seems pointless, we are handsome, our hand is pretty, (unsure of villain's looks due to incomplete read )

We are oop but implied odds are significant and villain is bad. We will be in a protected multiway pot and it sounds like villain will often make bet sizing mistakes so with the right flops we could expect to be offered decent odds postflop much of the time.

Call
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 03:22 AM
I may not be handsome, but I would overcall the good old QJ suited here.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 04:50 AM
Call because villain has predictable tendencies. We can stack him with two pair and straights. I'm prepared to dump top pair to a bet-call.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 06:22 AM
Raising is bad IMO, calling we get 30:1 implied 3 ways with very sexy SCs so even OOP I'm happy to passive it off here.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 11:32 AM
Call. It may be sexy to squeeze here in certain spots but given the reads, the opener is value heavy. Let's take a flop.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Hero (BB): Handsome 30´s regular. Have 10-30 hours with each of the Villians in the hand, decent notes, over 3 or 4 months. Have been at the table for 90 minutes, voluntarily put money in only one time (pf squeeze in a double straddled pot). Haven´t seen a flop with cards yet. Presumably a nitty image.~$1100

V1 (MP1): 40's MAWG Rec fish.
-Likely to stack off with overpairs and TPTK.
-Varies his opening sizing by the strength of his hand. Premiums get big sizing. Also goes big with TT and JJ, possibly 88/99, because he is afraid of playing multiway. KQ/AJ, probably AQ are getting a smaller sizing. Smaller pairs and suited cards get a smaller again blocker/sweetener sizing.
-Showdown monkey tendencies. Not going for thin value. Needs a nuttish hand to be making big bets or raises OTR
-POW when facing small sizing/big pot odds. Faced with min raises/small bets (1/3-1/4PSB) observed calling down with middle pair that was obviously not good. He can fold marginal hands when faced with big bets.
-His value sizing seems to usually be 1/2pot, possibly ''same bet'' OTR. Doesn't adjust for board texture, stack sizes, etc etc.
-Cbets a lot, some monkey betting
~$1500

V2/V3 (HJ,CO):
Calling stations. ~$1K

UTG+2:
loose and limpy rec player. ~$500


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OTTH:

UTG+2 limps $5, V1 raises to $30 MP1 (Big sizing for the game), V2 and V3 call in HJ/CO, SB folds, hero peeks down at QJ in the BB and?
*Bonus question: What is the bottom of your range to call here pf?

Hero calls, UTG+2 folds. 4 to the flop.

(~$120) Flop: AT3

Hero checks, V bets $60, folds back to hero who?
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 04:19 PM
Folds without much thought.

[Waves for waitress]


edit: after thought, still a fold.

[takes a long sip of delivered Bloody Mary]
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote
02-14-2016 , 04:30 PM
Pre flop is easy call

I call one street here. We have 4 cards for the nuts, another 9 cards give us significant equity with fd and gutshot and another 3 cards give us up and down straight draw.
PAHWM /5 QJs in the BB Quote

      
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