Borgata $5/10, $2K eff.
Utg or utg+1 limps, a weak loose-ish player limps
I make it $60 on CO with QJcc
Loose sb calls & utg makes it ~$180
I make it $475 thinking it might be better than flatting. She is one of the few capable of doing this light, and I have been the most active at the table, so she could very reasonably expect this from me. Though, I haven't gotten too far out of line with anyone.

I have played with her before, and she appeared/acted LAG, but no real history or legit/verified reads. She has limped in EP a few times now, and we haven't had this confrontation, however. Though she did claim to have limped AQ
I am under the impression she'd be the type who'd want to limp/3b light the first time. She has also showed that she is capable of making a big laydown this session when she folded bottoms s et on 872r in a 4-5 pot when it ch to BTN who bet $250 BTN and sb ch/r to $600 - she was bb, and she was there with sb, who I've seen her there with before.

IMO, if she does have a good hand her most likely good hand is AK, but there could be some hands worse, like AJ-AQs, but idk about 22-TT, and I'm leaning towards a no with JJ+.

I didn't stop to think what she might do with AK, but I think there was a good chance she'd could fold, or at worse flat. I didn't really think she'd expect me to 4b light, so I didn't think she 5b.

My questions are:

*Should I flat knowing she is favored to have AK at best? What if I thought this was always and only KK or AA, do I have implied odds with a hand that will likely lose some it's straight outs against those hands, and get me in reverse implied odds when I make a second best hand, and pay off 2-3 streets, and when I will fold the best of it? Remember, we are ~$2K deep.

*If I know she has AK, but don't know whether she'll 5b, or even if I know she won't, but will fold to a c-bet, should I still 4b?

Is there merit to making her fold her bluffs, right now?

Am I better off flatting and floating?

Thoughts?

I think she needs to limp reraise fold a good % of the time to 4bet here, otherwise id just call....I think Id want to know more about her limp reraise range before doing this, especially since live players tend to make terrible calls preflop, and we really dont want to get flatted here

Wait, why did you 4-bet?

3betting with a wider range than the normal live nit range is far different than LRR with a wide range.

That's what I was wondering... but, in my mind, at the time, I thought she was most likely to have AK (or worse - 89s, 56s, 44, etc). And if she did have AK, I thought she would poss. fold it, and at worse flat it.

Yeah, and blue is far different than red. But both are irrelevant if I think villain is likely to do this light.

Are you saying that, in general, live players aren't limp RR light? If so, in general, I agree. But, I think this is a specific case, which is why I decided to make an atypical decision.

I'm just wondering what the merits to 4b'ing are, if there are any ofc?

1. Discounting AA and KK from her range, which you are doing, is ridiculous.
2. Posting a hand where you have an insanely specific read on the villain that causes you to ignore everyone's advice is pointless.

Call > fold >>>>> 4bet

If you feel that she's weak, flat preflop with the intention of floating or bluff-raising certain flops. There's no reason to 4-bet bluff here when you can abuse the BTN against her on the flop. Please don't light money on fire by 4-betting for no good reason.

Hypothetically, if you feel that she's strong, (which you obviously did not because you 4-bet her with QJs), I would sneak a peak at the person behind you to see if he will overcall if you call. If he is telegraphing an overcall, then I would call the small 3-bet for pot odds to crack AA/KK (while praying to GOD that she doesn't have QQ). Obviously, we will be playing to crack AA/KK by flopping gin and giving up if we don't flop gin.

Gotta agree with the others that I really don't like your 4-bet here. You have position and a big enough stack to have really good implied to flat here (and a great hand to potentially bust AA or KK too). 4-betting without really knowin ght LRR range seems like buring $$ to me. Sure, she might lay down AQ or AK, but if she shoves you cannot call and you have lost a hand with really good flop equity.

I would have flatted the $120 with $310ish in there and seena good flop. Also, if the flop is a blank she might check/fold AK to your steal bet.

agreed

I like this advice Thanks.

4bet is quite obviously better than folding, call>4bet>fold..

to say that fold>4bet is to claim that 4betting is -EV, which it is most definitely not with deep stacks, a playable hand when called, position, and a read that villain can do this light.

even if you disagree, it's ludicrous to claim that folding is "way better" than 4betting.

4-betting QJ suited 200 bbs effective in position against this chick's utg lrr is by far the worst option unless you have very strong reason to believe she is "seeing where she is at" and will fold... Even if your read is strong that she is light, what's to stop her from completing her blow-up and sending it in? You can't call... But you can win after the flop in a variety of ways/you get a lot more evidence to work with in forming your read on her.

4-betting a piece of cheese like K6o would be way better IMO. Who cares if you have to fold that?

After reconsidering, I agree with this over the former. It definitely makes sense.

I guess it might even somehow explain my choice to 4b. In hindsight, I feel like it was a huge mistake. But, I suppose, at the time, considering whatever reads I had, I just didn't want to flat because I didn't think it would be profitable. Perhaps, that was a function of my flop-ability that day... I figured that flatting was exploitable, since I didn't suspect I had good implied odds because of the fact that she could be doing this light. For the same reasons, I thought that even when I did make a one pair type hand, I'd just level myself (or not) into folding when I shouldn't.

Yeah, that's usually my default, 4b the cheese, though, I still wouldn't be too happy to have to fold! Who the hell likes folding?