Yeah, my desire for V3 not to fold was premised on V1 almost always having aces. In many non-Texas $1-2 games that would be the case.

The point is, if V1 were to have AA, most of the current pot equity you're protecting by folding out V3 belongs to V1. You still have to hit something big to win, big enough to hold against most of what V3 can hit. Obviously there are edge cases.

Since V1 is actually a lot wider, just charge V3 the max to stay in this $3600 pot.

This.

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The guy has double flatted. He's willing to gamble. Make him pay. Rip it

Rip of course

I gotta say this is the first time im curious about the results of a hand

I rip this spot.

What would you do besides jam? This would be an amazing way to play aces.

I'm just jamming pre because Vs will put you on AK and call with 88+/AQ+. 4bing to $250/300 vs shortstacks looks way stronger

Ship it and be prepared to see some dumb ****

We have to jam now because if the 1K guy has aces we can make it all back in the side pot easily with v3. He's not folding almost guaranteed, and no one flats twice, especially a plo player, with aces.

I play in this game at Turning Stone it's my favorite game to play in, it plays bigger than my local 5/10 game by miles and the regs there and everyone else routinely over play hands for very deep stacks which means if you get lucky enough to flop a set you're getting paid like 700 to 1,400 bb's

Results:

Hero Jams for the rest of V3's stack

V3 calls

Board runs out 6 4 Q A 6

V1 K K

V2 Q Q

V3 A A

Kind of a boring PAHWM since its all pre flop but I thought it was a better format than a line check with all the different stack sizes and action. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Fun fact: A player from another table caught me the next day to tell me the dealer has been involved in underground gambling rings for a long time and has mentioned stacking decks before. One can only wonder.

Seems really sus, v3 basically took a line that AA should never take and won the max

Yep. It's noteworthy that the board runs out in such a way that, even if somehow action doesn't get all-in preflop while V3 calls along, it's certain all going on in the flop, with top set and KK driving the action.

Honestly it's still probably more likely it was just a crazy cooler, but it's close enough to make you wonder, and that's not acceptable.

Aren't Texas cardrooms pretty much unregulated?

I just saw a guy open shove 1.5k effective with AA utg in a 2/5 game and get practically snapped off by KQo in the BB and lose to a straight. There is nothing remarkable about this cooler.

I dunno, maybe where you play it's unremarkable to have reports going around of a present dealer with a background of cheating. Where I play that would be pretty remarkable.

Hero KK

V1 K K

V2 Q Q

V3 A A

Board runs out 6 4 Q A 6

And V3 just flats pre, twice, then gets this runout? I've seen some crazy hands, but they were at least played the way you'd expect them to be played. And I've never seen one this crazy. Makes me wonder. But are there dealers who are really this "good"? I'd seriously be watching that dealer and V3 -- weird he didn't take his PLO seat.

Yes, there's no gaming commission or government involvement of any kind. The rooms are businesses set up as private social clubs with paid memberships, making the games "private". The only "regulation" is those who own the room.

The guy played his hand horribly. No one flats twice like that in a milti-way pot with aces so he's got no clue about how to poker and I would just take that comment with a grain of salt. Where did he find the time to do this with 9 people watching him?

Even if we flatted to fold to an ace high flop we still woulda lost the same amount.

Update: Was in fact a stacked deck. These two got caught a couple weeks ago in another room in town doing the same thing. Forced to give the money back, kicked out and banned. Haven't been seen in town since.

Wow! So sorry they got you

I would have gone a little nuts (as in to management, etc.) when the other player told me about the dealer, but that's me.

Yeah, I gave him too much credit saying he played it horrible, but you nailed it.

Grunch - we want to 4B to a size that's large enough to discourage loose calls, and large enough to pot commit V1 with the $1k stack if he calls, but small enough to re-open the betting if V2 jams for $650.

I'd think $325 is the correct number. That's more than 5x the $60 3B from V1, 32.5% of his $1k stack, and half of V2's $650 stack. It's enough to let everyone know we're not f**king around, and will make the pot over $770 if anyone calls.

The SPR is going to the flop will be less than 1SPR for V1 and V2, and V3 should be thinking about whether or not he wants to put ~10% of his stack in with whatever speculative BS he has that wasn't worth 4B'ing. If he's thinking on this level, he should realize we're not deep enough for him to set-mine.

V1 shouldn't flat call. He should jam or fold. V2 definitely shouldn't flat call, he should absolutely jam or fold. If either V1 or V2 jam, V3 shouldn't be flatting, if he has an ounce of sense, because he should realize that we're most likely going to be re-jamming, and he'd just be torching $325 if he plans to fold in that scenario.