Before I we begin I'd like to say this thread was Approved by APD. Also this is my first PAHWM so bear with me

1/2 Game in Pompano Beach Florida

V1 ($27) BTN - Just sat at the table bought in for 100, stack is down to 27. He was just at the table next to me and busted out. Haven't seen a hand of his yet, or him raise, but I've played with him before. Opening range is 77+, QJo+.

V2 ($200) CO - Tighter kid at the table, young, dressed kind of nice. Haven't seen one of his hands yet, but seems like he is trying to learn the game better. So far every time hes raised, its been hu and he took it down with a c-bet. Opening range is prob 99+ KQo+

V3 ($90)UTG+2 - A regular 2/5 player, not sure why hes sitting at 1/2, but is a crazy player. I've played with him multiple times, and is willing to call with literally ATC because the "Price is Right." Also have seen him bluff this session, the he bet $100 OTR on a Q high board with 3rd pair, and got called by kings. Opening range is 22+, 67s+, T9o+, QJo+, A5s+. Limp calling range is ATC that are suited, followed by most SC, and pretty often a bluff. Knows about position etc. has a little FTP card protector, and claims he used to be a torny player online.

V4 ($300) BB - Older Canadian guy at the table. Seems to be paying everybody off. Payed me off twice. Loves to call down with any pair. I have not seen him raise or make moves preflop, but post flop I've seen him try to bluff another guy who had been bluffing a lot off TPTK by raising OTT, and shoving OTR. His limp/calling range is any Ace, followed by suited 1-gappers and 56+ and Q10+

Hero ($300) SB - Playing pretty Tight for the night, won 3 hands, went to showdown twice, vs V4, showed TP, both times and won. I haven't been limping either, maybe once or twice this session.

Note* There is usually a raise 80% of an orbit.

V1 straddles for $5 OTB.
Hero is in the SB with 1010 and...?

V1 had just lost the other $70 of his stack about 2 hands ago and I think is tilted.

Did all these guys limp in? Are you first to act PF because of the button straddle? Sorry I'm unfamiliar and think I might be missing something here.

Sorry, action starts in the SB because of V1's btn straddle. We are first to act.

Raise to 15-18 and fold to a 3bet from any of these guys except V3 (90$) unless your read is that he only opens super wide and has the typical live 3bet range of qq+

I like a little bigger raise of 25. Your going to be oop and don't want to encourage a cascade of calls. Once the button straddles it begins to play like a 2/5 game.

Figure out a way for button or UTG+2 to shove and re-open the pot, then shove over the dead money and hope your hand holds up for SD.

Given the table dynamic, this is a perfect limp/raise scenario.

Limp for $5.

I like the limp/raise play since you know someone is probably going to raise after you (80% according to you), and button is likely to shove since he is on tilt and only has $22 behind.

I'll go a bit farther down the road and say to raise button's shove to $50, and hope that UTG+2 shoves and CO calls, then I'll shove over the top.

In most cases, this hand shouldn't go beyond pre, and it should always end on the flop.

Yah I either like a limp/reraise or a big raise.

*Grunch*
V1 straddled for $5 with a $27 stack? I'm usually not a huge fan of limp/re-raise, but this guy is shoving ATC if it's limped to him. Then re-pop to iso, around $60, depending on # of overlimpers. If called, they will put you on a big PP, so you will often take it down OTF. If shoved over by V3, snap call, if by others, prob a fold.

Post-grunch edit: If you choose not to limp, this:

$25 or $30. Depends on how weak ppl are in terms of calling big PF raises with marginal hands. If I don't have that info $25 is my default for EP in 2/5, which is essentially what this now is, except you are all playing short which is great for your hand.

Fold pre. As played, limp the nickel and setmine. If this table is raising 80% of orbs, can we expect a straddle to be raised? Or, is it considered a raise and usually limps around? I'm not limp/RR'ing TT. I'm not busting it up to $25 and taking 3+ callers oop where I have to set mine it or overplay it. I'm folding....strictly a positional play.

Is this a level?

Raise $20. Yes it plays bigger, but not quite like a 2/5 game because stacks are shallower.

If you can't play TT profitably with 60bb effective I don't know what to tell you. I agree that this is a good spot to limp-3bet. Just lol at folding pre.

I guess l/rr is an option as well (and I never think l/rr is an option). But I prefer just raising yourself. There tend to be fewer calls in straddled pots with the bigger raises so we probably wont be too multiway.

Can we get a flop though? Because I don't think this is a particularly interesting spot.

And to the person that said to fold.. I don't even know what to say. TT isn't a "setmining" hand.

If someone Straddles the button and has <40. If I hit a premium hand I am limp reraising everytime.

If the game is tight passive I like raising as the first to act.

Does anyone think doing something unconventional like raise to $12, re-raise if button jams is okay?

If you're l/rr'ing, you're basically praying that V3 wakes up with a hand. This is way too much of an assumption for me, so I'm raising to 20-25 PF.

12BB player on the button straddled 1/5 - 1/6 of his chips and you think he'll just check his option after all the limpers?

Dealt XXxx, yes. Random hands suck. Even when we're trapping for this case, there are no players between us and BTN.

$5 x 7 = $35 + $27 from the button = $62 potentially in the pot if button decides to shove.

$5 x 3 = $15 + $27 = $42 if only 3 people called.

In these games where there are couple varying size stacks, "standard" play just isn't optimal IMO.

Yes, there will be times that button won't re-raise and we're forced to see the flop 6 or even 9 handed, and I am fine with playing it for set value in such case.

I am not a fan of raising to $25 and only to have 4 callers and button shove for $27, creating main bloated pot, dry side pot, and hero playing out of position with yet another short stack V3.

To the people saying to l/rr:

What happens when it limps around?

What will you do if someone else opens and v1 shoves? Are you folding?

Other people will have the exact same idea as you except they all get position on you.

Do you think anyone will raise trying to steal $5 off a $27 stack? No.

I would open to $16 all day long, when everyone calls if V2 shoves I get to squeeze the whole field of $16! You know live villains call $16 with all kind of suited trash, worse pocket pairs, Ax, J10o+ but they aren't just going to put in their stack with it.

People saying open to $20-25 remember only button is $5 invested, you just opened for 10-13xbbs inb4 "oh but there is a straddle so it plays shallower" no one else is thinking that and all they are seeing is some stupid kid betting $20 for $5 of some other poor kid from the absolute worst position in hold'em (the SB with a mississippi straddle on).

Ok most of them wont see that but V2 and maybe V4 will.

Lol and if V1,*if he shoves, you then get to let everyone see 3 cards and there's a dry sidepot so you basically have to fold unless you hit a set.*

Raising to $25 would have to be about the worst option ever. It sticks out like a sore thumb from UTG as a huge hand, it will get a ton of respect, $16 with $5 on the button not so much.*

If someone 3-bets you are you going to level yourself into stacking off with 10-10 pre just because some tilting short stack on the button told everyone he was committing $5 extra to the pot?

V3 could easily limp with a hand too. A hand like 22-99 in his spot will be a limp, if you spazz out he's not going to stack off with it but if you commit him a little, he may, especially as the pot gets bigger from other action.

Then in case the hand goes straightforwardly to the flop i get a premium hand post flop in a raised pot so I won't be playing guessing games/c/fing flop a lot cos every one limped for $5 and you missed your squeeze.*

Also it doesn't put me at the mercy of someone limping a monster behind and stacking me, if I get 3-bet I can safely fold and if someone wants to flat trying to induce the button the spaz now HE has to take that risk, if he does, good for him we lose the same amount but we played the hand much better than just limp spazzing with 1010.*

I can see where this is going, Hero limps, V2 opens and V1 may or not spazz and we are left thinking WTF?! As we now have a choice to limp/re-raise, limp call, cold call a 3! OOP or cold 4! with good aggressive villain(s) behind.

We call *and us V4 and V2 go to the flop and then we have some stupid **** happen post-flop...

Should be an interesting PAHWM only because like almost every other LLSNL thread pre-flop was screwed up probably.

V1 ($27) BTN - Just sat at the table bought in for 100, stack is down to 27. He was just at the table next to me and busted out. Haven't seen a hand of his yet, or him raise, but I've played with him before. Opening range is 77+, QJo+.

V2 ($200) CO - Tighter kid at the table, young, dressed kind of nice. Haven't seen one of his hands yet, but seems like he is trying to learn the game better. So far every time hes raised, its been hu and he took it down with a c-bet. Opening range is prob 99+ KQo+

V3 ($90)UTG+2 - A regular 2/5 player, not sure why hes sitting at 1/2, but is a crazy player. I've played with him multiple times, and is willing to call with literally ATC because the "Price is Right." Also have seen him bluff this session, the he bet $100 OTR on a Q high board with 3rd pair, and got called by kings. Opening range is 22+, 67s+, T9o+, QJo+, A5s+. Limp calling range is ATC that are suited, followed by most SC, and pretty often a bluff. Knows about position etc. has a little FTP card protector, and claims he used to be a torny player online.

V4 ($300) BB - Older Canadian guy at the table. Seems to be paying everybody off. Payed me off twice. Loves to call down with any pair. I have not seen him raise or make moves preflop, but post flop I've seen him try to bluff another guy who had been bluffing a lot off TPTK by raising OTT, and shoving OTR. His limp/calling range is any Ace, followed by suited 1-gappers and 56+ and Q10+

Hero ($300) SB - Playing pretty Tight for the night, won 3 hands, went to showdown twice, vs V4, showed TP, both times and won. I haven't been limping either, maybe once or twice this session.

Note* There is usually a raise 80% of an orbit.

V1 had just lost the other $70 of his stack about 2 hands ago and I think is tilted.

V1 straddles for $5 OTB.
Hero is in the SB with 1010 and... calls $5
V4, and V3 call $5
V2 Makes it $25
V1 goes all in for $27
Hero, V4, and V3 all call.

I know this is horrible, but I'm giving V2 credit for a big hand or PP here.
I don't want to raise here and be called by V2 only to be in a bloated pot OOP
I decide to Limp. Why? I had the idea of L/RR'ing because I thought V1 would shove. Also worse comes to worse, I can set mine if limped.

Flop $130

568

Hero...?

Such a ****ty spot. Maybe raising $12-16 preflop would have been a good idea. That way we could have find out if anyone at the table has QQ-AA.

Anyways, I b/f $65 (assuming that V2 or V4 raises). I know that once we bet $65 we are suppose to be committed vs V2. It'll be $103 to win $303. But, if he raises, I assign this range;

Board: 8d 6s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.456% 14.10% 02.36% 4048 676.50 { TdTh }
Hand 1: 83.544% 81.19% 02.36% 23309 676.50 { TT+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs }

The other option is to c/f, in which case were going to be way behind on 25-30% of turns.

After I b/f the flop, I'm going in c/f mode.