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07-22-2011 , 11:13 PM
There is a very strong possibility that if you bet, Villain 2 will shove so be prepared for that. IMO here, I would take the free card. Your getting a better price to see both streets vs. betting right now. You bet and get 3 bet, now your putting yourself in a situation where you have to call getting priced to shove. I would take the free card and see what develops. Someone SHOULD fire on the turn and if it's priced right, you can call that. I just don't like the idea of getting priced out of your potential monster here.
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07-22-2011 , 11:22 PM
Something seems funny about this villain. with a 442 flop and you betting into it, he's gotta think that you either have a small PP or a FD. He was the original raiser. He's called your flop bet and turn bet. He must have showdown value. I think shutting down here would be the best play and getting the information for next time.
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07-22-2011 , 11:41 PM
tripling here is burning money IMO. we fired two with good equity against a range that includes lesser draws, which i'm happy with. now if we bet on the river, villain will fold his draws that we beat and will almost never fold his OPs.

definitely a check OTR

checking on the turn is also a good play i think, after some thought. i think i still lead but i'm open to discussion on it. i guess it depends how we range villain after flop call really
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07-22-2011 , 11:57 PM
I would like to know if we checked the flop, would he of fired on the river? Maybe a value bet knowing that everyone checked and probably doesn't have anything?
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07-23-2011 , 01:07 AM
gotta check here... pretty much any pair is calling you. no value in a bluff but ace high does have some showdown value against busted draws
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07-23-2011 , 01:49 AM
lol at betting this river.

Just throw your cards down face up, say "kicker, baby! Send it!", and when villain shows you twos full, say "Damn, thought I had that one in the bag..." and get ready for some action next time you enter a pot.
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07-23-2011 , 01:53 AM
check, hope for the miracle -- that he was on a lesser flush draw, and expect to see a pocket pair of some sort
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07-23-2011 , 02:00 AM
For the Love of God: DO NOT BLUFF!

I present to you the Zeebo Theorem: No one ever folds a full house when a board has trips showing. You are not going to be making $ trying to bluff players off Full Houses.

Shakespeare said it best when he said "Discretion is the better part of valor."

CHECK.
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07-23-2011 , 11:23 AM
yeah... it seems like we all know checking is the right play
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07-23-2011 , 03:41 PM
so what does villain end up turning over
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07-23-2011 , 04:18 PM
agree with checking back the river, I really don't think villain is going to fold a better hand here
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07-24-2011 , 08:56 PM
Ok so I haven't ever done this, so here it goes:

Villain 1 (300) was a small winner on small stakes online cash about a year ago. He is TAG-ish but just lost a big pot with no showdown and looks to be playing spewy of late. Overall I am not impressed with his play today. He has a tendency to make larger preflop raises of 7-9bb preflop regardless of positon. His range does not seem to change relative to position. UTG raising range is wider than usual (KJsuited, KQ, AJ and 77-1010 included).

Villain 2 is short stacked with <$120. He is weak tight, and fit or fold for the most part.

Hero ($320) has a TAG image and hasn't gotten involved much recently. Villain knows I am a solid player after several hours of playing together.

Hero is on the button with AJ Villain 1 is UTG and raises it up to $12. Villain 2 calls from MP.
Hero Calls.

I know folding was just too nitty especially given the villain, given PF raiser is suseptible to being on tilt at the moment after spewing the very previous hand; therefore his range has a possibility of being even wider.

Pot $37
Flop comes 422

Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks,
Hero bets $25. Villain 1 calls. Villain 2 folds.

I am aware villain raises basically the same range from all positions from playing with him for the last 4 hours. I do not think he is capable or likely to check QQ+ on this board. I am immediately putting him on a likely range of KQ hearts, and 77-JJ.

I assumed this villain would be betting this board even with mid PP, but was much more likely to bet this board with big pairs than medium pairs. I am confident I am at least 50% equity OTF.

Pot $87
Turn card is the 5, giving hero a gut shot. Villain 1 checks, Hero bets $45, villain calls.

I thought that betting this turn makes us look strong. I don't want to make huge bets as it looks kinda bluffy.

Pot $177
River is the 2 Villain 1 checks, Hero Tank checks. I almost fired a $90 barrel, but I realized this was burning money. I looked at my stack but couldnt pull the trigger, which I would probably got snapped off. I couldnt see villain ever folding a fullhouse even though hes decent. Villain tables 88 and takes down the pot. I think he tank calls if I bet. He said he doesnt know what he would do if I bomb the river. I think he calls though. Thoughts on how he played the hand, and how I played it?
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07-24-2011 , 11:32 PM
88 makes sense, but i don't know why he wouldn't value bet the whole way down. the turn was probably a good check cause i'm sure he was calling everything. however, like i said in the very beginning, this hand should have been 3bet pf. by putting in the 3 bet pf, maybe we take the hand down there, but if we do get called, we can fire credible bullets on the flop and turn which will likely fold out 88..and if we get called atleast we have outs
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07-25-2011 , 07:38 PM
in my opinion your call / bet / bet / check line is pretty optimal
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07-26-2011 , 12:42 AM
This seems like the most trademark Zeebo Theorem spot ever.
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07-26-2011 , 01:34 AM
+1 dutchhen

also I think you played the hand okay. I think checking the turn would have been okay/ maybe better.

You are repping a decent overpair to the board as well as 34s and sets also alot of air..., Villain on the other hand after calling the flop and turn most likely has a mid pp JJ-77 or and high flush draw. I think many times is villain thinks you are floaty he will throw a stack a donk line at you and check/raise the turn with the top of his range AA-QQ. So by betting turn you can bluff paint (if he feels you double barrel with your overs) and get value from his King/Queen high flushes.
as played Zeebo theorm says LLSNL villains will not fold a FH here so don't bother to bet the river, all of the hands that will fold are busted flush draws which we beat anyway. Checking turn is fine too I feel, as it looks like we may be checking back for a free card with the flush draw or pot controlling a smaller overpair, which may get a crying call from his PPs on a small 3rd heart river (the third barrel on the 3rd heart river would be pretty polarizing and if villian thought we were able to turn AX(high card, e.g off-suit K) or other high cards we barreled into a bluff he might cry call). It also lets certain villains keep their smaller flush draws in the hand... It does take out our better pocket pairs though, but leaves in our ability to bluff paint as we could give up with high cards on the turn.
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