Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button

07-20-2011 , 04:06 AM
Ok so I haven't ever done this, so here it goes:

Villain 1 (300) was a small winner on small stakes online cash about a year ago. He is TAG-ish but just lost a big pot with no showdown and looks to be playing spewy of late. Overall I am not impressed with his play today. He has a tendency to make larger preflop raises of 7-9bb preflop regardless of positon. His range does not seem to change relative to position. UTG raising range is wider than usual (KJsuited, KQ, AJ and 77-1010 included).

Villain 2 is short stacked with <$120. He is weak tight, and fit or fold for the most part.

Hero ($320) has a TAG image and hasn't gotten involved much recently. Villain knows I am a solid player after several hours of playing together.

Hero is on the button with AJ Villain 1 is UTG and raises it up to $12. Villain 2 calls from MP.
Hero??

Last edited by Pay4Myschool; 07-20-2011 at 04:17 AM.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:24 AM
I guess a fold would be in order (i am a nit), but we obv call, we have position and our hand is suited. I don't like 3 betting.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:28 AM
Fold is very nitty I don't want to raise because if we are shoved on too hard to call
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:33 AM
yup, flat it is
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:35 AM
No offense, but this isn't a tough decision. Play post-flop poker. Call.

Next street?
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
No offense, but this isn't a tough decision. Play post-flop poker. Call.

Next street?
Exactly. Quite comfortable here and a fun spot to be in if you ask me.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:47 AM
I feel a fold is definitely too nitty, and when we call we pick up 1 or 2 of the blinds as well and our hand plays well multiway.

Oh and we have position LDO how could you not calll
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 02:18 PM
Ok so I haven't ever done this, so here it goes:

Villain 1 (300) was a small winner on small stakes online cash about a year ago. He is TAG-ish but just lost a big pot with no showdown and looks to be playing spewy of late. Overall I am not impressed with his play today. He has a tendency to make larger preflop raises of 7-9bb preflop regardless of positon. His range does not seem to change relative to position. UTG raising range is wider than usual (KJsuited, KQ, AJ and 77-1010 included).

Villain 2 is short stacked with <$120. He is weak tight, and fit or fold for the most part.

Hero ($320) has a TAG image and hasn't gotten involved much recently. Villain knows I am a solid player after several hours of playing together.

Hero is on the button with AJ Villain 1 is UTG and raises it up to $12. Villain 2 calls from MP.
Hero Calls.

I know folding was just too nitty especially given the villain, given PF raiser is suseptible to being on tilt at the moment after spewing the very previous hand; therefore his range has a possibility of being even wider.

Pot $37
Flop comes 422

Villain 1 checks, Villain 2 checks,
Hero??

What is our plan here? If we bet, whats our sizing?
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 02:35 PM
25ish
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
No offense, but this isn't a tough decision. Play post-flop poker. Call.

Next street?
To me its a really easy decision but I am just beginning the PAHWN is all
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 04:01 PM
I'm a little suspicious that there was no c-bet here. I think it is read-dependent whether I try to take the pot right now or whether I take a free card. If I do bet, I'm betting around $30, I guess. If the preflop raiser doesn't fold I'm proceeding with extreme caution.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 04:40 PM
Against one player this is an easy bet... Against two... Meh.

Check and take a free card.

My thought is if we bet and get raised we're playing in a pot that got out of control quick and unless we decided to Jam and gambol any flat turns our hand into what it is to our opponents which is a drawing hand.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:45 PM
Bet $25. Build the pot. You have two overs, the nut flush draw and possibly the best hand. If everyone folds, great. If you get called by more than 1 person, slow down. If you get called by one, play poker.

If you get called, it's going to be a timid mid-pair and you can probably take the hand away on the turn with another barrel.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
If you get called, it's going to be a timid mid-pair and you can probably take the hand away on the turn with another barrel.
I have seen people check-raise with big pocket pairs in this spot. I have also seen people play hands like 44 by check/calling flop and check/raising turn, even when they were the preflop aggressor. This is why I said I would proceed with extreme caution if I bet the flop and the preflop raiser gave me action. (Now, if the other guy calls, I think your read could be more accurate.)
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 05:58 PM
Bet $26. Believe stated the reasons why nicely. We trying to stack either villain with a nice hand in position which allows us to play our hand fairly easy.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 07:46 PM
damn good question. me personally this would depend on what i think villain has ... if they have high pockets and are going to check/raise. i would be tempted to check for free heart .... most of the time though betting $20-$25. curious what better players than me would say.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TehPokerNoob
damn good question. me personally this would depend on what i think villain has ... if they have high pockets and are going to check/raise. i would be tempted to check for free heart .... most of the time though betting $20-$25. curious what better players than me would say.
if they both call and turn is a brick for us, then at least they prob both check to us again because of our bet and we get free river (cross fingers for a heart). if we hit a heart on the turn then we have built a good pot. so long as they dont check/raise the flop i like this hand
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 09:42 PM
Why $25? Can't it be a smaller bet? It seems to me that the point of betting $25 is to intimidate middle pairs and achieve a fold. If I bet $25 here and get called, I will be really feeling in trouble.

Considering $25 bet and a call from one of the villains and a blank turn, I'm pretty inclined to continue my pocket tens history and throw a $55-$65 bet. Checking the turn for a free river isn't kinda hypocrite given the fact that we could've received a free turn if we didn't bet the flop?
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 09:59 PM
tough to say exactly what v1 is up to. we may get check/raised on this flop more often than normal, but i think i'm still leading this flop. b/c $20
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 10:01 PM
I bet 20-25 on the flop unless I know one of the villains is spewy or sLAG and will go crazy and c/rai most of his range on a low paired board, if they are I will check behind.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8o8
tough to say exactly what v1 is up to. we may get check/raised on this flop more often than normal, but i think i'm still leading this flop. b/c $20
$20 feels goooooood (:
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 10:53 PM
Assigning both villains 22+ and all suited broadway on Poker Stove gives us about 50% equity on the flop.

V2 with a shortstack might crai here with an overpair, but with 50% equity I think I like b/c $25 here, hoping to take it down right away.
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-20-2011 , 11:07 PM
i think checking and betting both has its merits. im pretty aggressive and with position i would bet 20-25 here. with plans of calling a jam from the shorty and a raise from the opener.

checking behind i feel will disguise our hand so so so much. i mean, who doesnt bet the nfd with 2 overs here? we really never get better hands to fold other than maybe aq/ak
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote
07-21-2011 , 02:34 AM
i really don't like that everyone is flatting here pf. we have a really tight image. villain already knows we're playing TAG and we haven't been involved much lately, so a raise is going to get respect here. i probably pop it to 40 pf and then on the flop, i'm betting 60 if i get 1 caller, but probably 80-100 if i get 2 callers. i think we fold out better hands here very often and if we do get called we most likely get the turn for free and we have decent equity
PAHWM: 1/2 - AJ HEARTS on the button Quote

      
m