Was at my regular neighborhood game. $1/$1 9 handed, action is really loose.

My image to these regular is fold or fit on flop. Very tight and quiet character, seldom bluff and always has the goods when I go showdown.

Villain has been on a gambling mood, Likes to see value and go into a pot hoping to crack people.

Villain stack $200
Hero stack $210

I was at the BB with Queens, utg raised $11, got 4 callers. I Raised to $60. All folded except villain on button who tanks some time and called.

Flop J 6 K rainbow. Pot $162
I continue to Cbet $79 with $60 behind. Villain tanks very very long and called. From this action I knew that he doesn't have the K.

Turn A.
I shove remaining. He snapped called.

1. Should I shove on flop instead ?

2. Is my 3bet preflop too big making me fumble and playing too big pots a risk with Queens ?

I posted pretty much an identical hand in the low stress thread except v only had 150 to start and I shoved the flop. I got snapped off by KQ. I got told not to shove the flop.

Preflop is totally fine. Flop is debatable. However if you are going to bet I think you bet the right amount. It denies him odds to chase with draws and is small enough he can still call with worse. It makes the river nasty though because you beat so little at this point.

I think checking the hand down is the right play. There isnt a whole lot worse he can call with so all you can really do is bluff catch.

Preflop is fine. There is already close to $60 in the pot when it gets to you, table is super loose, your OOP and any reasonable raise is obviously going to tie you to the pot. This is a situation to raise as much as you can and still get a caller.

Flop depends on villain. Against a tighter villains I might c-bet flop and give up turn but given your description of villain I'm not folding. With this sort of villain it's just a question of which way he is more likely to put his money in. Some villains will call the flop c-bet with any pair and then realize they are pot committed on turn, others will read the shove as a possible bluff and are more likely to call. Turn is a terrible card since this sort will have straight draws and hands like AJ/A6 in their range but you can't fold at that point unless villain is a nit who checks down any hands you beat.

grunch:

Sizing was perfect to shove flop. That's what you should have done. Live and learn.

Yeah once you make it $60 pre shove flop.

I would 3bet to $45 to $50 pre at the very most. Gets value from your hand, narrows the field, doesn't commit you on Kxx or Axx, more likely to get action. As played just shove flop

I lol'd at fold or fit.

Preflop 3b sizing is fine IMO. With that many callers there is so much dead money, and if you 3b smaller and get called by the original raiser than you might see the flop multi way which you don't really want.

Shove flop. With stacks how they are, shoving is really your only option (if you decide to bet, which you should).

80 preflop (6 way and oop), shove flop.

What worse is calling a reasonably sized bet on the flop? Do we think he'll call with AJ?

I would check flop.

Yes

Once you 3bet to 80 with 120 behind, you are pretty much committed to most flops. Shoving 120 into over 204 and getting called is not bad, especially against a gambooling player, because now he has better odds to call you a lot wider. Any Jx with backdoor straight draw, QT, any straight draws can call you, and you are doing pretty well against those hands.

Committed doesn't mean we have to shove. Is he really capable of showing up with JTo or ATo here? Will he bluff with 77 if we check?

+1

wouldn't be surprised if he had aj, if he had tq he would probably shove. I think once you bet you almost have to call. wouldn't mind a check to see what he does