Hero is playing 1-3 (300 effective)

Hero is on the button and MP raises over 15 over a 6 dollar straddle to and LP2 calls the 15. Hero looks down at two black aces and raises to 75. SB calls the 75 and all other players. Pot is approximately 185.

Flop comes:
789

Hero donk shoves 300. Villain calls all in.

First, this isn't a play a hand with me.

Two, OTOH, it's insane that you 3bet AA to 75, it's too large a size. But then again you got called, so it's not so insane.

Three, if effective stacks are 300, you didn't jam 300. You jammed 225 into 185.

Fourth, villain should never have called; my assumption would be that against your 3bet a villain would be calling pre with AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK. In other words, this is not a good flop for your opponent as it isn't for you. It doesn't really interact with the ranges either one has, so things should be the same as they were preflop. It's a good flop for AA.

If your opponent hit a set there, then he's got 10 pairs he didn't hit a set with and who knows what other kind of ****. You should still be crashing him. You just got coolered that's all.

Fifth. It's a 3 bet pot. The SPR is a bit higher than 1. There's no danger of not getting in the money in. Bet something like one third of the pot, the shove turns (your opponent will hit some flushes, but how can he have so many flushes when you 3bet to 75 and he can only have AKdd and maybe AQdd?). Don't play like scared money!

Preflop betting in this hand is a little goofy but not just you. MP raising to $15 over a $6 straddle is silly. With $40 in the pot your raise to $75 with a $300 stack should have shut everything out. The only hands that can play are AK & QQ+ and even then only if you have been making big preflop bluffs with air a lot.

Villain can't make money with this sort of play because they are only 1 in 8 to flop the set. Giving some margin of error they have to win something better then 10-1 on their call and need stacks over $570. No matter how it plays out they are losing money on this call in the long run.

Do you only have $225 left if you started $300 effective?

With just $225 left in a $185 pot on a massively drawy board the shove is fine, imo; you could even argue for a shove with $300 left. We raised super huge preflop and denied anyone from making a profitable call with anything even if we pay them off every single time they outflop us (which we will have to do due to SPR).

ETA: Regarding preflop sizing, I typically aim to offer very poor IO of 8:1, which makes setmining (let alone other speculative hand mining) unprofitable against me. So assuming $300 effective preflop, even just another ~$40 on top of the raise will accomplish that, so I'd be fine with ~$55. But if we're playing in a game where people are going to call lol $75 then obviously do that.

Gnicehand,imoG

I wouldn’t beat yourself up over shoving with the worst hand here. We’re not deep enough to fold, so the money was going in anyway. With this wet of a flop I like the open shove — if it were K72r I might bet 1/3 pot on the flop and stick the rest in on the turn. I’m sure some would disagree but I think this was well played.

Also, I disagree you won’t get called by worse — I think any T or 6, TT+, any 9, any two diamonds, are all calling here with just a PSB left (even though it’s almost certainly an unprofitable call for most of the draws).

Not sure why everyone is moaning about the pre-flop raise size. With one player in the norm might have been $50-$55 and with two it would be $65-$70, so $75 is hardly that off (and it's of course table dependent).

At this point SPR, your commited for your stack. I honestly don't think there's much between shove and bet say 40% pot. I probably just shove at this point - I also disagree you won't get called by worse - plenty of draws, and pair/draw combos will call your shove, especially those who think you're trying to buy it with AK.

Seems pretty standard to me!

I'm not really seeing the problem with this hand OP, I mean you got a drooler to commit 25% of their stack with a hand they had no business having; after that the money was going in anyway so w/e.

So I'm with everybody that you pretty much have to get it in here, but not the way you did, and certainly never feeling happy about it. Our preclusion is that live V's are so giddy to ship it with big draws that we can overbet for value and it's no skin off our back when we're beat. This isnt necessarily always true, but what we really want to do is let *them* get their money in bad, not us. If we had bet half pot and V shipped then we can call and not feel so bad about it, because our theory holds water that V would jam with whatever. When we jam I'd say we ensure 90% of the time we're behind. I dont like being behind when I elect to jam, I want to let them make the bad decision for me.

A 1/2 PSB gives the first caller decent 3:1 (and the next caller fairly awesome 4:1) which is pretty good for draws, especially considering we'll be left with just a 1/3rd PSB left and likely won't be able to fold even on a scary card (of which there are a bunch). Even leaving ourselves with just a 1/3 PSB for the turn (I'm assuming $300 starting stacks although it is a little unclear in the OP) would give draws 4:1 on the turn shove.

Gshovingtheflopisfine,imoG

This hand was well played and you lost anyway. That's poker. You have to work on your mental game or bankroll though, if this hand really got to you that badly.

So you lost a hand with AA against a set in a 3! pot with a low SPR and a half-decent flop. Big whoop. Come back when you lose with most of your sets for an entire month. :P

Thats why we're comfortable calling when V jams, because both parties know he has odds to just get it in with a draw. When *we* jam we're giving terrible odds to chase, so all we do is guarantee sets call us.

Draws aren't folding to a ~PSB jam and there are a zillion on them on this board (flush draws, straight draws, pair + draws, etc.). Heck, for some draws it is even correct for them to call a PSB jam (where we are actually both profitable getting in stacks on the flop due to the dead money in the pot).

GcluelessNLnoobG

What do you think villain's range is for calling 75 PF in a 3bet pot?

It seems a little like you got emotionally attached to your aces, saw a situation that was hard to deal with and shut down. Short of those cards being suited, that's a horrible flop for AA. 77 should fold to that bet with short stacks but the rest is on you.

How do you think you should have played it?

SB just coldcalled a 3bet for 25% of his stack, so really he should only have monster overpairs / huge Ax. Half the deck is a scare card on the turn, so lets get this in now versus his QQ before he's scared off.

FWIW, the OPs post is confusing, but I actually assumed we were going like 4way to this flop (and therefore anyone in the field could have a variety of draws). Now that I realize it most likely went HU, yeah, not too many draws in SB's range, but still a bunch of hands (big Axdd, overpair + sometimes possible OESD / gutshot) that aren't going to fold to a ~PSB shove now (but could possibly get away on one of many stoopid turn cards). Also feeling confident that we're never behind here like 100% of the time, unless this guy is awesomely calling lol 99/88/77 preflop for 25% of stacks with the action still open.

GcluelessNLnoobG

If he only has monster overpairs and huge Ax what draws are there for you to be concerned about? if that's his range, does he check back TT-KK back? Why would he?

How about his AK or AQ? If you shove, does he call? What does he do, if he checks? Surely, there will be a few times he ll turn those hands into a bluff thinking you have AK/AQ, no?

Given all that, what's the most profitable line?

Yeah, as I say, my initial line of thinking assumed we were like 4ways to the flop. Now realizing that we are HU against likely a pretty obvious face up range, I don't hate alternate lines like you are suggesting (your check line against this face up range may actually be better). But I also think a shove is still ok too.

The main point being that it is perfectly fine to get in stacks ASAP postflop here (whichever way you decide to do it), and it is by no means an overplay (which I think OP is fearing it is due to results).

GcluelessNLnoobG