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Overpair ,MW, with a crazy  guy in the pot. Overpair ,MW, with a crazy  guy in the pot.

08-27-2014 , 03:23 PM
Prehand descriptions.
Hero:Has a really tight image vs both villains.
Villain 1:Is a regular,with pretty wide limp&calling ranges.
Villain 2:He is a regular too,I haven't played a lot with him.But i have seen that if he raises PF he will usually go for 3 streets barrels,Plus he tilts easily.And he is tight in general.

Btw villain 1 has a tentency to donk when he has a flush draw,or trips.

1/2 NL (10 handed)
UTG Hero (200$)
MP1 Unknown (x$)
BTN v2(800$)
BB V1 (500$)

Hero is dealt KK
Hero raises to 10$,MP1 calls,BTN calls,BB calls.

Flop(41$) 642
V1 donks for 15$,Hero raises 50,MP1 folds,V2 makes it 120$.,V1 folds.Hero folds.

Thought proccess
A)I am thinking the pot is 226 ,and i have to call 70$ more.Getting 3.2-1.
B)What is he raising with?Does he have a pair,flush draw,a set???If he had TT-AA he would raise me PF,Flush draw ,is he so crazy to do it when there is a donk and a raise from me?Set seems reasonable.
C)So my options are Shoving,or folding cause calling seems to be bad,am i playing scared money should i shove???I have just put in a quarter of my stack??I don't know,i think folding is the best option here.

Villain 2 shows 2 mucks the other card.Villain 1 Had QJ i overheard it.

Any thoughts on that?
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08-27-2014 , 03:28 PM
Never folding here for $200. I just get it in if I can. Your re-raise on the flop was way too small. Pre-flop seems a bit small, too, but that's table-dependent.
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08-27-2014 , 03:51 PM
PF i usually raise 4x,on the flop how much you think i sould have made it instead of 50?80-90?
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08-27-2014 , 04:24 PM
For some reason I thought there was more in there. I guess $50 isn't terrible, but I'd probably go $60 or $70 -- mainly because I don't plan to fold. You have to put V2 on exactly a set to fold, unless he calls pre with 3,5. If you have that good of a read of V2, and you made good points, that's great. I just don't think I'm good enough to fold KK here, but maybe it was the right play. I'm sure the math guys will come along and let us know.
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08-27-2014 , 05:45 PM
Which one is the crazy guy?

I don't think it's an awful fold. I made a similar fold last night and got shown a weaker overpair though, only difference is we were 300bb deep, but I stand by it. Some villains tend to go ape**** when they flop an overpair on a low board though. You have to watch for that. But big flop raises with less than KK are generally pretty rare, so without a stronger read I don't think it's bad.
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08-27-2014 , 09:07 PM
V2 is the crazy guy.
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08-27-2014 , 09:21 PM
not folding.
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08-27-2014 , 09:58 PM
Not folding. With over pairs less than kings and so many draw in Vs range, I'm not getting away from this ever.
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08-27-2014 , 10:05 PM
Bet more on flop and have an easier 3b ship.

Not much to say. You have to har a was that he's willing to cold 4 bet a flush draw. Not sure if you did or not. If he's a reg you should have had that read already.

A couple of sizing mistakes made a big difference in this hand. 1. Preflop probably should have been larger assuming table would call. 3. Flop raise should have been in the $70 range making a 3b trivial.
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