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Overpair+FD on monotone flop Overpair+FD on monotone flop

05-01-2014 , 02:38 PM
V1 in UTG+1 ($200) mid 50’s guy, just sat down at the table. Basically an unknown. Loose-passive if anything, but it’s been one orbit

V2 in CO ($1300) young kid, been playing together for a couple hours. Playing very LAG, almost to the point of being a maniac but not quite. I think he is decent besides being overly aggressive

Hero UTG ($285) young kid, playing TAG, have not shown down many hands so far

Hero dealt KK UTG

I limp UTG, V1 raises to $8. Folds to V2 in CO who calls. Folds back to me and I make it $30 total. Both V’s call.

Flop ($93) T63

Hero?

V2’s range is wide here, he has that maniac attitude of I won’t be bullied around. Also, I have seen him 3bet 99 already, so the top of his range is pretty capped.

V1 is unknown, but I would give him a more respectable range, like 99+, AK, AQ, maybe KQs, AJs. All he’s done is limp/fold so far
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05-01-2014 , 02:49 PM
$65 and get it in.
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05-01-2014 , 02:59 PM
I'd be tempted to pot it to make it look like you are discouraging a call from a FD and get it in.
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05-01-2014 , 03:03 PM
If V is near-maniac I might bet small-ish, if V1 folds hope it induces V2 to raise, if V1 flats V2 might squeeze. $30-$35
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05-01-2014 , 03:12 PM
V1 raise/called 15% of stack pre, seems to be passive, so I'd likely fold to his raise (flop). Not likely to fold vs. any resistance from V2.

I'd value bet $55, potentially gii on a safe turn, depending on the caller(s).
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05-01-2014 , 03:21 PM
I'm betting 50-60 and shipping on pretty much every turn
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05-01-2014 , 03:34 PM
Not a huge fan of the pre-flop limp/raise, but sure, it's something people do.

Pre-flop, with your $2 limp, the $8 raise, and the $8 call, your 3-bet to $30 is almost certainly too small, especially when you're oop. $35 to $40 is better.

Now bet the flop $65-$70. Checking or betting small to ninja induce is just FPS.
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05-01-2014 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
V1 raise/called 15% of stack pre, seems to be passive, so I'd likely fold to his raise (flop). Not likely to fold vs. any resistance from V2.

I'd value bet $55, potentially gii on a safe turn, depending on the caller(s).
Ud fold to v1? Id raise the rest of his stack before id fold
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05-01-2014 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by samo
V1 raise/called 15% of stack pre, seems to be passive, so I'd likely fold to his raise (flop). Not likely to fold vs. any resistance from V2.

I'd value bet $55, potentially gii on a safe turn, depending on the caller(s).
Nah, I'm not folding to a raise from V1.

First, yes, V1 put in 15% of his stack pre, but once we bet on the flop, we will have like 50% of effective stacks in the middle against V1.

Bet/folding with those stack sizes is not in the slightest a viable option with KcKx here.

Second, yes, he's passive, and he likely to have good pre-flop values, but that certainly makes overpairs like JJ,QQ part of his range, etc.

Also, not that I care that much, but he can't have AcKc or KcQc. So he has like 2 flushes, 3 sets and a bunch of everything else (pairs i.e. JJ, draws i.e. AcXx, and pairs+draws i.e. QcQx)

So no, not folding.
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05-01-2014 , 04:31 PM
Raise pre bigger. 40 seems right. As played I'm betting like 80 on the flop and jamming almost any turn.
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05-01-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Nah, I'm not folding to a raise from V1.

First, yes, V1 put in 15% of his stack pre, but once we bet on the flop, we will have like 50% of effective stacks in the middle against V1.

Bet/folding with those stack sizes is not in the slightest a viable option with KcKx here.

Second, yes, he's passive, and he likely to have good pre-flop values, but that certainly makes overpairs like JJ,QQ part of his range, etc.

Also, not that I care that much, but he can't have AcKc or KcQc. So he has like 2 flushes, 3 sets and a bunch of everything else (pairs i.e. JJ, draws i.e. AcXx, and pairs+draws i.e. QcQx)

So no, not folding.
Y, we are around the 40% border of eff stack by betting $55.

Still, based on descript he has limp/folded prior. I think his range is tighter and while QQ/JJ are clearly a part of that range, I don't think this type would raise the flop with those, but rather call. Normally 3-bets pre are viewed as QQ+, perhaps AK. Hero is also an unknown.
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05-01-2014 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Not a huge fan of the pre-flop limp/raise, but sure, it's something people do.

Pre-flop, with your $2 limp, the $8 raise, and the $8 call, your 3-bet to $30 is almost certainly too small, especially when you're oop. $35 to $40 is better.

Now bet the flop $65-$70. Checking or betting small to ninja induce is just FPS.
+1....also getting it all in on turn unless A non comes out.
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05-01-2014 , 05:33 PM
Given EFF stacks just open ship the flop.
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05-01-2014 , 09:44 PM
Limp/re-raising preflop turns your hand face up. You have a big over pair with the 2nd nut FD. Since you hold a club, villain only flops a flush 2.6% of the time. He flops a flush draw 14.6% of the time. So almost 6 times more often he has the draw, NOT the flush. Bet big for protection. I like getting it all in here. Your only fearing Ax of clubs (which is highly likely to have folded out if you had BET BIG preflop).
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