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Overpair facing big bet on scary turn Overpair facing big bet on scary turn

04-17-2022 , 05:34 PM
Hi all,

Long-time lurker, first time poster here. I play microstakes online and am transitioning into playing live more. I've played maybe 100 hours total at 1/2 and am a small winner, but I still feel like I have a lot to learn about live poker. Hence, my first thread.

This hand is played at Mohegan Sun $1/$2. I am the effective stack with $300 (the maximum buy-in at this table).

Hero is in the SB with black Tens. Five players limp to me and I raise to $20. Only the cut-off calls. This is early in the session and I don't have any real reads on this player. He is a 30-something who is winning on the night and he covers the entire table. He seems to be on the splashier side and doesn't seem particularly good, but I haven't seen any notable showdown hands.

Flop is 6s 6c 7s. Hero bets $25 and Villain calls quickly.

Turn is 4s, completing the front door flush and a couple straight draws. Not the ideal turn. Hero decides to check and villain snap bets $100. Hero?

Would be curious to hear if anyone would advise against this flop bet and/or turn check. It seems standard to me, but I know I need to work on bet sizing in general, so happy to hear any/all suggestions on this hand.

Will post results tomorrow afternoon.
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04-17-2022 , 05:55 PM
Flat the turn and evaluate the river IMO. Spergs love to rep the flush. Against tight players that don't bluff a lot, it's an easy fold. Against bad randos, easy flat.
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04-18-2022 , 08:31 AM
If he seems splashier, that makes me think he's raising 100% of flops if he actually had a 6.

With the Ts I'm seeing the river and evaluating.

People love to bet when you slow down.
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04-18-2022 , 12:26 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. I think call is clearly the right play here. Typing this thread out I realized it probably wasn't as close of a spot as I thought it was in-game, and seeing the responses here confirms that.

In game, I made the big fold. I don't think this is a fold I would make playing online but I've made the adjustment live to over-fold to serious aggression, and it is very rare in these games that players make pot-sized bets or larger without the goods. I think against a younger and splashier player though, I still have to call here. Maybe fold is right against one of the many tight older regs that populate these games, but not in this spot.

My opponent did actually turn over his hand after I tank folded. He showed 7-4 of diamonds, for top pair no-kicker (or three pair, if you want to get cute). He made some comment to the effect of that he did not want me to draw out on him, insinuating that his pot-sized bet on the turn was for protection/value, which is pretty ridiculous. I made a mental note that this was a special player that I needed to play differently against in the future.

Later in the night, I saw him win a $2k pot against the other big stack at the table where both players put in over 500bbs in a single-raised pot with only 1 pair (AJ vs KJ on a Jack-high board). Villain ended up leaving the table shortly after. Hope to play with him again some time.
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04-21-2022 , 02:39 PM
I like your play preflop and on the flop. On the turn, I probably would have check-folded too. A fourth or fifth limper live at Mohegan has all sorts of garbage. 44, 77, 6x, 53s, even 58s are in his range. Your TT is a bluff catcher. I see the merit of a call like the other posters, if you think he is bluffing more than one out of three times, but getting behind the call and evaluate river might be results-oriented here (maybe wait 24 hours before posting results next time). Unless I have a specific read, I am assuming that at low stakes people generally bet what they have.
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04-21-2022 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
I like your play preflop and on the flop. On the turn, I probably would have check-folded too. A fourth or fifth limper live at Mohegan has all sorts of garbage. 44, 77, 6x, 53s, even 58s are in his range. Your TT is a bluff catcher. I see the merit of a call like the other posters, if you think he is bluffing more than one out of three times, but getting behind the call and evaluate river might be results-oriented here (maybe wait 24 hours before posting results next time). Unless I have a specific read, I am assuming that at low stakes people generally bet what they have.
Appreciate your feedback, glad to hear from someone else who would have folded in this spot. I agree that 53s and 58s are in this opponent's range, especially after seeing that he limp-called with 74s. I can definitely wait longer to post results next time I make a thread.
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04-22-2022 , 12:35 AM
Super annoying spot w/ red tens but yeah gotta at least call once with the Ts. I think a lot of people will agree that overfolding at 1/2 is generally gonna serve you well tho so if that's something you agree with then prob best not to stress out about this particular hand.
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04-22-2022 , 11:05 AM
I get the fold, but as you know it should have been a call on the turn, especially vs. this type of player.
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04-24-2022 , 09:59 AM
As a wise man once said to me " pick the low hanging fruit "
Why play for stacks in a slightly uncomfortable spot when you know he'll stack off with top pair a few hands later , just pick your spots , we don't have much invested in the pot ,

I think I fold the turn to most low limit players , it's a line I don't see too often from them with air , nice hand thanks for the post
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04-24-2022 , 10:58 AM
Absolutely nothing wrong with folding in this situation when you don't have a read. A player like this is going to put maximum pressure and shove the river. Were you going to call him readless on a blank river?
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04-24-2022 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Absolutely nothing wrong with folding in this situation when you don't have a read. A player like this is going to put maximum pressure and shove the river. Were you going to call him readless on a blank river?
Yes, thinking about the river was part of the reason I made the fold here. If I call turn and he jams river, it's basically a half-pot sized bet for me to call and there are only a couple cards (2 tens, 2 sixes) I am going to feel happy about calling on.

I played with this player for about six hours and this hand was maybe 45 minutes in to my session. I think if this had been 2+ hours in I would have been a lot more likely to call, after seeing him splash around a bit more and over-value top pair in some other spots.

Appreciate the continued feedback from folks in this thread. I returned to Mohegan Sun $1/$2 last night and got absolutely smoked for my biggest loss playing live yet, so it feels good to be getting feedback from more experienced players and thinking about ways to continue to improve my live game.
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04-24-2022 , 04:39 PM
Noob perspective:

This board and that turn card in particular connect really well with a CO limp/calling range, so you're right to be concerned. The board texture overall is better for his range than for yours.

I like both the flop bet and the turn check.

As far as responding to his huge bet, it's borderline. I wouldn't kick yourself for folding the winner in this case.
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