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Overbetting AK against a tilted villian Overbetting AK against a tilted villian

06-01-2011 , 10:34 PM
2-5 NL


Villian is on his 3rd buyin and playing almost ATC - has $600. He has been calling bets and raises light.

Hero has been card dead and has very tight table image - $450

Hero in EP with AKo and opens for $25. Only villian calls.

2 players pot $57

Flop J 2 4 rainbow

Hero bets $60 villial calls Pot $177

Turn A (completing the rainbow)

Hero bets $200 villian pushes heros remaining $165 - hero calls

Thoughts on the overbetting?
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06-02-2011 , 04:52 AM
you're potting flop for value?
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06-02-2011 , 06:34 AM
With players like that you want to keep pot at a minimum. The c-bet I don like because you know he is calling light. This just builds the pot and make it harder for you going forward. Check the flop and fold to a bet similar to the one you've made.
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06-02-2011 , 08:36 AM
Yeah, flop Cbet is too big imo.

As played, betting 200 or near pot size doesnt make much difference. You're shoving any river anyways.
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06-02-2011 , 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elliott44
2-5 NL


Villian is on his 3rd buyin and playing almost ATC - has $600. He has been calling bets and raises light.

Hero has been card dead and has very tight table image - $450

Hero in EP with AKo and opens for $25. Only villian calls.

2 players pot $57

Flop J 2 4 rainbow

Hero bets $60 villial calls Pot $177

Turn A (completing the rainbow)

Hero bets $200 villian pushes heros remaining $165 - hero calls

Thoughts on the overbetting?
Why you want to commit 20% of effective stacks with air on the flop?
On the turn you just got lucky but that's not the point. The point is on the flop when your continuation bet was too big. A smaller bet will accomplish just the same and it would have keep the pot small so that you can fold if villains comes over the top. Now if your dude raises you on the flop what are you going to do? If he raises on the flop no matter what you do it will be wrong. If you call it's wrong and if you fold it's wrong too because you are already 20% in. If you constantly invest 20% and than fold you are not getting nowhere in this game. or the opposite is valid too. If you invest 20% and get raised and either call or re-raise with AIR you will go down pardner. Sometimes going with air works but most of the time you are just losing. But if you play for fun I guess is OK because you always have your regular job to supply the money for the next time you come to the poker club and play some cards. : lol, lol, lol...


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06-02-2011 , 11:42 AM
Thanks to all for the helpful responses.
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06-02-2011 , 01:24 PM
Betting so much on the flop is pretty silly. On such a dry board like that he is either calling or folding so why not just bet ~30. If he's such a drooler I like an overbet on the turn because again he's either calling or not. Then you're gonna ship any river and call any raise on turn.
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06-02-2011 , 01:47 PM
I dont really like your bet sizing here.
30-40$ on the flop is absolutelys sufficient, betting more just makes
you loose more money when he has a hand.
The problem with the turn betsizing is that you kind of overrep your hand
(which is not necc. a problem if you got history with villain), and if villain
flats you would have 165$ left in a 577$ pot. So betting 100-120$
with the plan of shoving almost any river is a lot better.
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06-02-2011 , 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MalcolmX23
I dont really like your bet sizing here.
30-40$ on the flop is absolutelys sufficient, betting more just makes
you loose more money when he has a hand.
The problem with the turn betsizing is that you kind of overrep your hand
(which is not necc. a problem if you got history with villain), and if villain
flats you would have 165$ left in a 577$ pot. So betting 100-120$
with the plan of shoving almost any river is a lot better.


Why is that better?
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06-02-2011 , 01:49 PM
Bet $26, then bet 2/3 T. If you missed turn C/F

Its a dry board so its fine to bet. Not much he can call with.

If he is calling with everything then AK is good more than not.
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06-02-2011 , 01:56 PM
Your logic moves 180 from flop to turn.

On the flop you are basically batting big in the hope it has more fold equity. Then ob the turn you are betting big for value. One of them has to be a mistake.
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