from a practical standpoint, if you look at what you're trying to do on the turn (fold out ace high / unpaired peels) i dont think you need to pot. also the bdfd is good to stab otf but worse to stab ott (as you block his flop calls / more equity and barrels but now his turn folds). i just dont think people are really going to fold an overpair on the turn when its 653tt 2o when u open from mp and he c/c the flop. i guess jam the river is whatever / ok as played but you're way overdoing it here in a spot that i don't think is that great for bluffing (and relying on something like 25% of rivers to even attempt to bluff on / river a straight. like yeah hes capped at Aces but i dont think people consistently fold overpairs on like a brick Jack on the river. you just rep way too thin and have way too much possible air and thats before acknwloedging that you say you have a hyper lag image in every thread you post.

So the people saying it Is a bad bluff, you are calling down a loose player with any PP when there Is flush, one card straight, A overcard (unless you have top set) and board full of low cards that could easily make me 2 pair?

And people say that poker Is dead

lmao

OP really got trapped. He 3-bet and then checked the flop with aces. When someone 3-bets and checks, it might not be a sign of weakness. OP just bets when checks to and fired 3 barrels and stacked off.

Again, to be clear, this is what you said your range is:

Pre: Loose open. Very loose call because we are "deep" in a 3bet pot and in position.
Flop: 100% range bet.
Turn: 100% range blast.
River: 90% range shove.

Good chance KdQd is a slightly winning river call.



GG though, given V tank called the nuts.

I laughed so hard reading this. Not sure if 90-100% (although I did sayed most of my range)

... but with a board this dangerous, against a player with a range so capped, assuming we have fold equity (because I i know he is not a calling station or a big whale), with range advantage: I still think it was not a spew although I got called

Maybe the flop bet is debatable, but you have to pull the trigger in boards like this where is almost impossible for villain to have a nutty hand, but in my case I have a extremely good chance of having it.

Also helps me keep my image, I was showing the bluff If he folded

How to stack a hyperaggressive player. First 3! small with AA to make sure he calls with whatever junk he raised with. Then just check/call down, and let him stack off with his entire range.

the thing is if he just calls with AA and JJ-KK with a spade (blocking flushes) which i think is pretty reasonable, your bluff is losing. he doesn't have to call 100% of his hands on the river for your bluff to not make money. you have a problem because i think you have a hugely losing bluff on non spade / non 4 so youre just putting in money poorly ott. you might think youre a loose player i can easily have a 4 but you're not really looking at the math of your range well. on the flop you have 2p+ maybe 5% of the time. turn is hard for me to quantify in GTOw because your betting too much (otf) but if youre stabbing your entire range otf you probably have a hand better than AA like at best 10% of the time. you being looser and having a few more 4x hands isn't going to compensate for way more air in your range either. this isn't enough of the time for you to just pot and jam river and think lol he is a fish if he pays this off. you're going to end up way way way over bluffing from a mathematical standpoint. on the river you're giving him 2:1 so you want to have around 1/3 of your range be bluffs, but youre probably ending up with like idk 75+% air if you dont watch your turn frequency and always follow through otr. if you think he pure folds pairs worse than AA regardless of suits, then sure, but here you get a very good river for what you're trying to do and we still dont know if he is actually going to overfold.

my guess would be average person at 2/5s pre and flop c/c range are too tight to make this a good play and youre significantly over estimating the amount of the time you have AA beaten in your range frequency wise and also over estimating how often they're going to fold overpairs (particularly ott) because "LOL i am loose and he's capped". fwiw ott i think he folds an overpair 0% of the time after c/cing the flop because he will think his hand looks like Ace high or whatever even though i think they over fold those otf. yes he will have some, but i dont think he has enough for you to be able to pot the turn profitably, particularly with 0 equity and slightly reverse blockers

you can quantify the ev of your bluff if you make some assumptions without just hand waving things away and saying lol poker is dead if people think my bluff is bad. especially if you think villain is good, that doesn't just mean you should expect him to fold 100% of his range on boards where he is weak, that isn't what good poker looks like and most people that get described as good tags are aware of that. i reasonable peoples bluff catching heuristics to look like: call the river with overpairs with a spade when the flush comes in, and call without a spade when it bricks. you apparently expect him to never call the river except with AA, never play any kind fd in this way, and fold something like 90% of his range. idk if thats a good assumption vs someone described as a good reg.

When someone 3!s and then checks a 653 flop, that looks fairly strong. If he had missed , he probably would cbet representing a big pair. It isn't the best spot to make a play. So much of his range is AK/JJ+. It makes sense he had AA, which doesn't need as much protection and would like to induce. At low-mid stakes, he may not be 3!ing light that much anyway.

It isn't a good spot, with no pair or draw, and villain looking strong. Even if you are hyperaggressive, you should just give up in certain situations and concede the small pot. No point in putting any money in postflop.

I know there is a tendency now, based on solvers etc., to bet small OTF and large on later streets. However, the neither flop or turn sizing makes sense in this case. When he 3!s and checks, he is never folding to a small bet and the small bet does not make sense as a value bet, so it actually makes you look weaker.

We need him to fold 55% of the time on the river. His range may well just be AA and overpairs to the 6 by the river, maybe A5s. And if he calls AA and pocketpairs with a spade, then it's not profitable. But if he folds overpairs with a spade, then it is profitable.

Actually the best bluffs are going to be KQo with a spade. Probably the only combo where I think we can reduce his callable combos as low as needed to make the bluff profitable. KsQx means he has no KsKx and only 2 combos of QsQx.

The only issue I have is that even facing just a 3x raise from OOP, I think we are continuing unprofitably with our suited gappers and KQo. It looks like the real solution is that we should bluff at some frequency with random suited broadways and connectors and he is supposed to fold overpairs without a spade 100% and with a spade at some frequency.

So it really boils down to if he will fold overpairs with a spade at the end of the day. Table image and reads on villain are important here and it is hard to tell. I guess if he tanked with AA. maybe he can find a fold with an overpair with a spade.

Pre I would prefer going 3x, and then maybe continuing if he 3bets to 3x OOP, but if he makes it 4x, fold is probably the play.

Isn't KK or QQ with a spade a much better call than AA here (blocking flushes)? Both lose to value and a set shouldn't be over-bet shoving the river. So it's a straight, flush, or nothing. I guess OP can fold out overpairs without a spade, but I don't think it's worth it (taking this line).

When the As specifically hits the river it reduces the combos. of flushes V can have by a lot, maybe just KsQs. So shoving all sets seems pretty reasonable (again, it's a small overbet not like it's even 150%), and even 65 feels like it's fine (we want to bet and I'm not sure we'd want two sizes).

Well you guys are right. I punted Overblufffff

TBH, I like how this hand was played on most streets.

Preflop is fine unless rake is too high.

Flop is close. If you had a live read on Villain preflop or postflop, I could go either way. If I were to bet, this is a nice sizing.

Turn; well played.

River: well played.

If you’re playing like this with ten high no draw then any astute player will just check call every street til you adjust.

That said I like your river overbet, gotta respect the heart.

A solver would definitely not play this way. On the wet board, OP could be semibluffing so many draws, so standard to just give up with air.

It seems like villain may have seen how OP played and 3-bet small with AA and then just check/called down. It seems like OP fell into villain's trap.

IMO preflop and river were played OK.

I'm not always going bananas looking for crazy bluffs with no equity just because I have range advantage and villain is capped, but if people are calling me down with any overpair in this runout then im printing money. I would value bet two pair exactly the same way since I know villain is capped. And if my bluff goes through I get a very good boost on my LAG image.

In this hand I was thinking about what would be his minimal defense range, the guy must have a lot of courage to call me down with an overpair here with an ace on the board, 4 to a straight and a possible flush against a maniac. If he called me down, then he deserves the money

I didnt get here in time before reveal was posted but I will take this line OOP w overpairs against aggro villains that will just blast off. Ill be honest I thought result was going to be villain snap calling w JJ or something like that. I think villain is pretty weak if hes tanking and getting clock called w his actual hand and that actually makes me like your play more. In a vaccuum not knowing that, I think this is overly ambitious and you will get looked up too much. Villain can still have flushes and Ax w flush blockers too. Although this board is better for us I would check it back in 3BP bc villain has more overpairs and AK/AQ they will call with. I would bet it aggressively in SRP when checked to

which 2 pairs do you think you have on 6532 ? i see maybe 3 combos of 65ss. you keep saying you have a range advantage without understanding how little of your range actually beats aa on this board. you may have a nut advantage but the spr is reduced because he 3bet and most people are going to be aware of that. like this just isn't a good board for you. if the board is middling (568 9) as opposed to low its different.

again the printing money thing. i keep trying to show you that you're massively over bluffing here and he's printing by calling you down from a math standpoint and you just keep ignoring that

So...if you have 2P or a set on the flop, and take this line, I think you're going to be losing a lot in low stakes cash games.

The debate you two seem to be having is over whether or not V should be calling down on the river with PP's worse than AA, like QQ or KK.

If we have a hyper-aggro image, V's going to be calling us down wider. He has to. And the ace is such an over-bluffed card, that if he has KK or QQ, he shouldn't necessarily be scared of it, especially when it's the As, and the 6s and 5s are on board. Hero's most likely AX combos that blast off on the turn and jam river when V checks would just be 3 combos of A4s.

So our thick value here would be A4s, 44, and maybe KQs that over-played the turn and got super-lucky on the river, plus maybe A5dd or A2dd. It's just so thin, and I could see KK or QQ with a spade flicking in the call against a hyper-aggro opponent, especially if V has played with hero before, and knows hero is capable of jamming with air.

Knowing that the ace is such a good card to bluff, I'd rather turn any weak AX hand into a bluff here, expecting V to call down wide, and blocking V's better AX combos. Having AxKs or AxQs would be awesome, but I'd settle for any AX combo that included a spade, like AxJs or AxTs. Even if we got here with A7dd, I'll take it, and hope V calls down with all his big PP's.

If he's playing 3B or fold from the SB, his big PP's are pretty high up in his range on this run-out, especially if he can't have any AXss, and probably no 44.

buy i sure feel like V handed you enough rope to hang yourself when he checked the flop, although obviously if i were V with KK id not be pleased with the runout.

Turn and river arent terrible, but at minimum I think the flop bet is just complete spaz. You oughta know that if youre putting him on big overpairs here.

The best river for you. It discounts possible Ah with a flush draw. But actually, any A is good for bluffing. Easy life.

But what was your plan with any other cards - 9, J, 5, etc.? With your image, it's a disaster and puts you in a very tough spot.

I feel like the best option here is to change the entire strategy from the flop and bet bigger, aiming to finish the hand on the turn without any improvement.

Reading thru comments. This basically says it all

The flop bet is the funniest part of this, he thinks the flop is terrible for Vs range when he put V on like TT+ AQ+, and puts himself on a 40% range. Youre at such a gigantic range disadvantage against the range you put him on that you literally never have a range advantage.

His flop check means this man knows your game and abused you with AA.


I also think his tank call with AA doesnt necessarily mean he ever folds. he mightve tank called with QQ too, i mean you dont have an ace or 2 pair on this line. Its straight/flush/air.

Ok, you guys are right... I punted difficult to have 2 pair on my range on an 6532 board. Im not crazy calling with 62, 53, 52, 62, 64, 32 preflop. I may have some 54, 43 ocassionally. But still the river is gold for a bluff

i mean the flop bet is fine. also even at equilibrium aa is checking the flop > 50% of the time as sb

the issue with the hand is this is what happens if you dont think in ranges. you end up bluffing (way too much) because i am loose so i can have a 4 and he can't! also you dont regulate your frequencies so you think the guy is losing calling you down bc lol i can have 2 pair when hes probably making 50+ bb on the river call