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Originally Posted by psujohn
Raise with ATo, Call with ATs
Not really.
If we're raising as a bluff (ie to get better hands to fold and to win the pot right now) we don't care at all what our cards are.
The reason we chose to bluff with a hand like ATo is two fold:
- our holding blocks AA and TT and AK hands that would call our raise
- if we are called we have some equity
The reason we might call ATs and raise ATo is because ATo will be more likely to miss and not have a lot of equity post flop. With ATs we're more likely to connect in a way that will let us bet (as a semi-bluff perhaps) after the flop and take down a larger pot later.
OK, i get what you are saying, makes sense. We want to use the best hands we don't feel we can profitably call to bluff raise with and so, with that in mind, it should not feel so counter-intuitive to call ATs and raise ATo.
Accept that; I'm not at all thinking about raising ATo hoping to get better hands to fold. In other words, I'm not bluffing I'm value betting.
I believe most of the players in my $2-$5 pool and prob most players in "the" $2-$5 player pool will Raise or Iso not limp or over limp AJ+. I aslo don't expect these players to limp fold anything that AT beats (maybe occasional small PP but that's not exactly like "folding better").
I am iso raising in these games very value heavy hoping to exploit the player pools (maybe main) mistake propensity of calling too wide pre-flop.
I expect players to limp in with hands like JTs, QT, KTs, T9s, and maybe get sticky facing an iso raise. I expect my AT (when called) to be doimatING far more often than dominatED.
That's one of my main reasons for isolating with any hand at all, domination value.
That said,
thoughts?
(And thank you one and all for the great conversation and thoughtful/thought provoking responses.)