1/3 NLHE

Hero, UTG, 1710$. Up on the night. Winning big and has the deepest stack at the table. Has hit some value and played some nice pots and done well, has started racking up to leave.

V, CO, 323$. Loose passive pre, loose on the flop and then defines his hand a lot on the turn where he basically decides to go with it or fold. Spazzes a bit. Buys in for the max (500) then bleeds with the pre and OTF calls until he eventually connects then spazzes and either holds and doubles up or bricks out. His spazzes thus far have been a combination of weak top pairs and draws/combo draws that seem to be a product of his frustration with decision making and basically deciding "not sure what to do so f--- it, all in"..he's not tilted though just doesn't know how to navigate post flop.

HH (would like advice on this too): Hero has A 4 and opens from LJ to 10, turbo station calls in HJ, V calls in CO, BB drunk station calls. 4-ways Flop (40): J 6 3, BB x, Hero x, turbo station bets 25, V calls, BB folds and goes back to his beer, Hero x/r to 100, turbo station calls 100, V back raise jams for 329 total, Hero reshoves for turbo station's 500$ stack (H covers), turbo station grumpy folds. HU no more action: runout comes Q A and top pair takes it down. V shows KJos.

Hand:

Hero has A J UTG for his last hand and thinks about just folding and leaving as this is the bottom of his value range from here but table has been so loose passive and no 3-betting is happening so he opens for 10. Three people call MP, V in CO and BTN. OOP 4 ways.

Flop (40): Q J 5

Hero leads 30 into the field with his winning image. Only V calls. HU.

Turn (100): 9

Hero bets 35, V raises to 100 leaving 183 behind, H sits and hems and haws and thinks about just folding but somehow feels he's ahead - not sure was just a vibe I got that he wasn't comfortable with raising so Hero calls.

River (300): 3

Hero?

The A4 hand, no reason to reopen betting with a c/r unless you think you have a lot of fold equity. No need to get stacks in on a flip at soft tables.

Main hand:

Pre: AJ is fine to open.....as long as you're comfortable playing post flop. No offense, but based on your posts in multiway pots, I would just fold AJo until you get better.

Flop: cbetting OOP into 3 players is suicide here. "With his winning image" isn't a thing. At best, they just won't raise you with hands like TPTK and just call you down. You should either be check/calling or just check/folding this flop. It's just not where you want to be OOP.

Turn: barreling here after being called on flop is likely worse than the flop cbet. You are basically OOP against the guy who's left standing out of 3 people. Which means he's likely pretty high in his range.

The raise is just a fold.

River: honestly, I have no idea. You probably have no fold equity to try to rep flush since you have barely over 1/2 pot behind. I would likely never end up here with this line.....playing for stacks OOP in a 4 way pot with 2nd pair.


I guess if you thought you were ahead on turn.....check/call. He probably didn't raise you on turn with a flush draw. So if you were somehow ahead on turn, you're probably still good here.


But this is more than likely going to be a 100bb punt most of the time.

Would just muck pre assuming 8-9 handed.
Flop is a clear check, sizing is much too large but also just wouldn’t ever consider betting this in a 4 way pot OOP.
Turn also would check, and definitely folding vs raise AP.
This is a spot where you are trying to get to showdown without the pot getting bigger OTF and OTT.

hate generalizing, but it looks like you just bet every time you have any kind of sdv / pair. if you're going to bet flop i think its too big and i think our hand is way strong enough to just check down. i get the Ad is an ok blocker but you have a hand where conceivably every worse made hand folds to a bet and you end up in a weird guessing game after bloating the pot on later streets while oop. also like you're really not supposed to be doing alot of cbetting oop let alone multiway. turn seems pretty bad to me where we're continuing to bloat the pot with a medium stregnth hand that very much wants to pot control because reasons? winning image? idk. i guess it opens up a potential bluff on diamonds. b/c the turn seems dumb. ap jam the river is interesting but there might not be enough behind to make that an effective option. id imagine you're going to ignore all of our advice on early streets if your other threads are any indication but i think there's some value to be gained there. it feels like you're spending way too much attention on table dynamics to justify a lack of fundamentals

a4hh i think is fine

Flop check/fold

Turn… wtf are you doing

River so you called turn because you thought you were good but now you wanna bluff the diamonds? Your logic doesn’t make sense.

Oh yeah its your last hand, just fold pre and avoid all this.

Not a fan of the HH attempting to get turbo stations to fold the flop and getting into a massive flippy situation (at best) with little FE.

I fold preflop cuz that's my personal line-in-the-sand spot. If we must play it, I'm not a fan of creating a very bloated multiway pot OOP (which a small raise with loose players at the table is going to do).

Not a fan of betting this flop this multiway OOP. I just check/evaluate. Not really sure what having a winning image has to do with anything at this point; i.e. are we thinking better is folding?

I can get behind a bet HU on the turn since there are draws he can still be on, but I just think in general we have to fold to the raise. We don't have any real redraw and a decent amount of hands did move ahead (and he easily could have already been ahead). ETA: Can also get behind a check/fold as others seem to be suggesting; I mean, we could easily be behind on the flop, a lotta stuff got there on the turn, and we block a bunch of diamond draws.

Is the river a question as to whether we should be bluffing? I mean, yeah, we have the nut flush blocker, but he's already decided to go with his hand thanks to his turn raise so are we thinking he's going to fold? Meanwhile he may have actually just gotten there. So I just check/fold.

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The A4hh why are you reshoving? We want station in for the 329 to subsidize our draw.

Main hand agree with the others.

Result:

Good catch, I missed that the first time around.

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In fairness, of all the absolutely terrible blunders in the hand, the worst of all is folding a flush face up

Ya, I mean I figured you win the pot.
Why else post it tbh?
Sick hand, I mean that very sincerely.

WP, very impressive.

Jamming river has to be the best play out of the entire hand, suicidal but at least there’s some logic to it. I wonder if you still jam if you knew what V had.

Perfect example of how the person left standing in a 4 way pot either has big hand or good equity. Flush draws are almost always in the high end of equity (hence why we have to bet absurd amounts to "charge" flush draws).

His fold is absolutely terrible. And would be insanely results oriented if anyone thinks this play is +EV at all.


And if anyone believes you when you just show the single Ad.....they aren't very bright. If they are that bad, it's fine. But if anyone at that table is remotely competent, you just showed them you bluffed without needing to.

^ It's a pretty bad table I play at. There's a few good players mixed in though.

Fold preflop. The fact that this table is loose passive is more reason to ditch this hand, not play it. You are likely to have to play this hand out of position. This is not a good multiway hand, and yet more than likely this hand will go multiway.