Both hands are the same table. Only about 20 minutes apart. Table is very loose and players like to draw out. both Vs are loose and a bit aggressive. I would say both are lags.

Hand 1

Hero is EP $400, V is LP $350

Hero Ad Ah raises to $15. 3 calls including V.

Flop ($60) 10d jd 5h

Hero bets $30. Only V calls

Turn ($120) 5c

Hero bets $55, V is all in. Hero

Hand 2

Hero $ 525 V has about $200. Hero again in EP

Hero As Ah raises to $15. V calls

Flop (30) 7h 8h 3s. Hero bets $20 V calls

Turn (70) 10s. Hero bets $55 V is all in Hero?

H1 I would check flop, as played fold turn.

H2 situation is different especially stack depth. Happier to stack off this time albeit you block flush draws so it's probably pretty close

I presume these are 1/3?

either check the flop or bet big in h1. OOP vs 3 opponents i prefer CR flop jam turn.

hand 2 check turn your flop SPR is too high on this board to do otherwise. i might check flop too if i havent been cbetting much.

Call both. Too high up your range to fold these. First hand you even beat all JT now. Of course you can be losing in each case but if you guild aces what are you calling with? Flopped sets only?

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being high up in range doesnt matter against passives. spr should drive decisions

OP by lags do you mean pf or postflop. unless youve seen them shove worse hands with turn raises b4 id just fold both of these and not lose sleep over it. you might be equating lag with someone who raises suited connectors preflop or something. thats irrelevant here.

Both. Raising pre and c betting. Although most c bets that missed at least had draws to go with it.

again irrelevant to the present situation. raising pre and cbetting are very different from this type of play. they are just creating the illusion of action so people make big mistakes against them like this.

im 100% positive these are losing calls against almost the entire LLSNL population.

I think they are coolers. Say for example they just called the turn. Probably you bet it call the river yourself with same result.

As played, if these are folds then what are you actually continuing with? OP what is your range on these turns? If it is just sets and aces then sure let the aces go. But I don't that is the case. How about kings and queens? Let's say you have in hand one TT JJ qq kk AA. Are you really folding 75pc of all hands here? If so your opponent can just raise everything on the turn and you are toast, especially if he has a j or t blocker as then you are folding even more hands. If you call the allins with draws then you probably lose even more money as you don't have the odds to hit AhKh in hand one for example even Vs a pair.

Hand one the guy had two outs. If you always pay him off when he hits it's still a winning play.

Genuinely curious what your range is in each hand after you bet turn and how you play all those hands to the jam.

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My range would consist of AA KK QQ and any set. However this is 1/3 and these opponents pay no attention. Obviously as in hand one this dude called with A5. I guess my question is whether or not I should have recognized their strength.

Have you seen either of these players make big bets as bluffs or jam over bets any other times?

Ok so then if you fold aces and worse it's super exploitable. So you have to be really sure they are basically never bluffing.
Say the guy is just an idiot and doesn't bluff here. He could still be jamming qj say in the first hand because he has no clue what to do so just wants to get the money in to stop you drawing. Ok it sucks he got one of two outs. But you are getting it all against this guy orf the last ace comes, so in expectation that already makes calling here less bad, because I'm sure he goes all in if it was a turn ace. He's not going to put you in kq and fold there. Maybe he can jam turn with qq or a flush draw or god knows what

So to make the fold you need a crazy strong read he never bluffs and never value cuts himself.

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Also the sample of AA hands on the forum is completely unrealistic of reality. You wouldn't have posted it if he jammed qj or if the turn was an ace and he jammed etc.

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