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02-12-2017 , 02:14 PM

niceguy22

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 824

1/2, 9 handes

Hero is mid to late 20s tag. Probably have actually been playing a bit more loose passive than i should be.

Villain is around 30 and hasnt gotten out of line. Ive seen him make a small value bet on the river once before. In an earlier hand, i flopped top 2 pair, and villain called my flop bet and tank folded to a turn bet.

Otth:

Villain limps utg ($700)
3 more limps
Hero in the sb raises to $17 with K

($600)
Villain calls, 4 folds

Flop ($42)

J

Hero bets $25, villain calls

Turn ($92)

J

Hero bets $60, villain calls

River ($212)

J

Hero checks, villain bets $30, hero?

Hate river decisions like this. Thoughts on whole hand?

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02-12-2017 , 02:29 PM

QuadJ

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,260

River is a call, your rarely winning but getting ridiculous odds. Can only fold if you know for sure villain's river bet is always a suck bet. Turn bet is too big, $50 is better sized. I would check turn sometimes and see what villain does but betting is fine also.

Knowing what villain's limp/call from EP range is would be nice. For a good number this is a pocket pair where you want to bet flop and give up when they call flop.

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02-12-2017 , 05:10 PM

NebDanger

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 673

I'm raising more pre after there are four limps and you are deep stacked. Not much more, maybe 20+, but I'd just want to go bigger to make it heads up instead of multiple callers and being OOP.

I like flop bet, turn bet is kinda iffy. As played need to call river, would be terrible to fold best hand getting that price.

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02-12-2017 , 06:29 PM

niceguy22

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 824

Ya, I didn't love the turn bet, but I really didnt like check folding or check calling much either. Do we call $40 on the river? $50? I find these spots hard to gauge sometimes.

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02-12-2017 , 06:52 PM

QuadJ

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$30 is about the limit for a call on this board without a better read on villain. Anything bigger I just give up because it isn't a good board for bluffing. I'm inclined to fold to any half-serious bet on this board because you could easily have been barreling AK on the turn and hit the nuts on the river.

If the flop was Js5h3h and the rest 8cQd then I'm autocalling anything up to $50. I would also be a lot more likely to bluff catch bigger bets because there are more missed draws in villain's range.

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02-13-2017 , 01:56 AM

branch0095

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 941

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Originally Posted by niceguy22

Ya, I didn't love the turn bet, but I really didnt like check folding or check calling much either. Do we call $40 on the river? $50? I find these spots hard to gauge sometimes.

Shrug and a call with TPGK getting 8 to 1. It's almost like a check. Usually if someone donks river for less than what I bet OTT, I'll make the call if I at least have a reasonable chance of having the best hand IE: top pair on a board like this. In this instance I'd probably call up to 40 without giving it much thought. Looking at a 50 dollar bet or bigger, that's where I sigh fold.

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02-13-2017 , 05:05 AM

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Bigger pre, especially being OOP. Turn is just a x/f when the 8 rolls off. He improves to a bunch of two pr/pair+draw. FDs aren't folding, Jx isn't folding, etc. just give up.

AP, calling or folding is kinda just whatever. Neither is really a mistake.

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02-13-2017 , 05:40 AM

Dochrohan

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,213

Turn is a bad card, c/f or c/c depending on size.

Calling river is really thin, it's a fold. Make a reason for me to call river, what's his pre-flop range in terms of offsuit and suited hands.

You need him to have quite a few suited hands and quite a few that turn their hands into bluffs.

You need anywhere from 8-12 bluffs.

Last edited by Dochrohan; 02-13-2017 at 05:52 AM.

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02-13-2017 , 07:06 AM

Amanaplan

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Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5,628

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

I want more pre and to pot every street on this runout against a player that won't call down light/has a fold btn. I can't find a hand that he only flats turn with that can call a hefty river bet as well (A9hh, J9hh??) ...I'm not sure I'm repping AKhh only... Perhaps I'm spewing hard and looking for a win-the-battle-lose-the-war line

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02-13-2017 , 05:50 PM

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wj94

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Bet $80 on river.

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02-13-2017 , 05:52 PM

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Avaritia

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

Complete pre

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02-13-2017 , 06:23 PM

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MIB211

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I sometimes limp pre and sometimes raise. If you can get it head's up, as you did, raising is fine.

Flop is a standard c-bet given your great equity.
Turn is not a great card for you, and certainly not going to scare off anything that called your flop bet. I x/evaluate turn.
Have to call river. Price is too good even though you're usually beat.

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02-13-2017 , 07:43 PM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Pre and flop are fine. Turn is 100% a check. You're fine if it checks through to hit something or bluff hearts/aces. I'm tempted to check the flop with the intention of c/r. I'd rather have the Kh though.

River is a bet/fold $75.

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