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Open ended straight flush draw vs flop raise multiway Open ended straight flush draw vs flop raise multiway

08-24-2015 , 07:34 AM
5/5 (140bbs eff)

Hero is new to table. Villains are mid 20s and pretty straightforward.

Hero raises pre from UTG to $25 with JQ and gets called by two players.

Flop is K10J

I bet $65, second player calls, mid 20s Chinese fob raises to $200, Hero?
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08-24-2015 , 07:44 AM
All in
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08-24-2015 , 07:59 AM
AP, I'm GII. You're behind for now, but you don't open this hand pre only to flop an OESFD and fold.
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08-24-2015 , 08:00 AM
well....never folding, so it's a call or a raise and the big question is whether we can raise without shoving.

We have a load of equity, even against the raiser's strong range, which is 2 pair + here. I'm not sure what fob means but do you think Villain also ranges here with NFD or Pair + Straight Draws?

Pot is (I believe) 415. If we just call and second player folds, then pot is 550 and we have 475 behind. If we call and second player calls, pot is 685. If we flat and the turn bricks then we lose a load of equity against villain's range and if the board pairs and we face a shove, we find ourselves in a nasty situation.

Villain is never folding sets but a shove is big enough that he may fold out some of his two pair and NFD hands, which is a great result for us. And if he calls, we have a load of outs against any holding.

Shovvity shove
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08-24-2015 , 09:13 AM
Occasionally you will be unlucky and run into AQ and a nut flush draw and be nearly dead. There are a lot more possible combinations you are doing fine against. Your best option is too shove now and hopefully get this heads up or folding both. Your almost always behind at least one villains but you can fold out hands as good as AK/JT on this board and getting rid of hand like KQ really helps your equity.
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08-24-2015 , 01:58 PM
Shove. I can't imagine a much better scenario after raising with that hand.
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08-24-2015 , 03:17 PM
This can't be anything other than a fist pump, run a lap around the table, hi-five the dealer shove.
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08-24-2015 , 03:19 PM
TBH, your OESFD loses a lot of its inherent value on this flop with this action: There is minimal FE (not many raise/fold hands in V range), your flush outs may not be good (esp if 3rd player comes along), straight outs may be chopping, and paired J has minimal SDV if unimproved.

I think it only plays slightly better than a Qhigh FD and might do a little better as a ck. I could get away from it for reasons above but once you bet, call, raise it gets close.
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08-24-2015 , 09:24 PM
Stick it. Probably you are beat and we're not have much fe. Agains a 5-5 crown fob you have more equity than you think. He might show up JTo, Jx9 lots of fd draws and Apair hands.
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08-24-2015 , 09:31 PM
A raise on a connected broadway board is almost always a straight given the action....but it's so sexy that I fist pump stuff it in and hope to get there anyway. V should have TT or KJ at worst.
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08-24-2015 , 09:35 PM
Fold Pre. If you never open UTG/UTG+1 with QJs for a year, you'll save enough money to fly to Hawaii.
AP, excellent reasons given for GII.
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08-24-2015 , 10:17 PM
GRUNCH
Didn't even read thread, just saw the hand and the flop and immediately scrolled down to say

AWWWWW YEEEENNN BABBBYYYY
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