$1/2 FR

Hero is TAG and as well as villain, V calls me good and says he called our last hand cause he knows I make moves; I just stacked villain in a hand where he thought I was bluffing but I had middle pair top kicker(ugh... don't ask) and he didn't show.

Villain is older who plays $2/5 when it's running, he's experienced but a bad tag fish. Calls too much. That's all I got on him.

We both have about 125bb, I'm SB villain is CO.

A few limpers, villain raises to 12..

I put him on a tightish range, he could be wider or tighter, I don't know, I suck at assigning ranges:
22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo


I look at 8c 8s and flat, 2 other calls.

Flop:

5c7c9c

x, x, SS GAI for $5, villain raises to $40, hero?

Here is my analysis.

I think he's firing all strong hands, most flush draws, which he'll have a lot of broadway kickers, and a GS. Throwing this range into flopzilla and assigning my cards as dead cards, give me nearly 1 : 1 chance to win.

Now, the thing is, so much of the deck scares me, broadways, a club could be good or bad! I'm pretty much dreaming of a 6 or 8, and maybe a lower card, but then again i could be beat by an overpair....

The thing is, I'm OOP. I think this is a spot where you must have position. I'm opting to fold here because I'm OOP.

Prob just fold, you are only tempted because you have sfd... Guy likely has an overpair and even tho he should fold if you came over right now I wouldn't be trying to move people at 1/2 off overpairs... Even if you call and turn flush you won't get paid.,. If it was higher stakes this could be a sexy flop to try and move someone off a big pair

But not at 1/2

fold

I think fold too.

You'll be playing a guessing game the entire rest of the hand in a pot that is bloating quickly unless you hit the sf

Your Rio are terrible here, without a very very good idea of exactly where your opponent is at now, and what they will do w basically their entire range (so if they figure to make the same moves with all of it,which is not only likely but probably optimal, that's still bad for us) this does not seem at all like a profitable spot to get involved.

Agree with gus1112.

At the 1/2 games I play I wouldn't even give this hand much thought. Your hand on the flop is rubbish and basically will continue to be rubbish unless precisely the 6c arrives on the turn or river.

The idea that you can move not one but two guys of their hands here, at 1/2 is complete fantasy. If you x/r you'll likely get called by one of them and they'll likely have either a draw that is >=50% against you or a pair bigger than you plus a bigger flush draw. Thats if they didn't flop a flush leaving you drawing at 1 out

Just fold.

You can 3-bet pre if you want to.

On the flop you're ahead of AdAh and you're ahead of the bare NFD AcKd.

You ahead of the tightest reasonable, top 5%, range which is: 99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo.

If you're going to continue with the hand a semi-bluff is mandatory. Calling is not good.

3-bet this flop.

There's an easy answer and a hard answer.

Easy answer is, you were setmining, you didn't get it, so dump it.

The more complicated answer depends on reads. Which, in this case, needs help. What the heck is a "TAGfish that calls too much"? Doesn't that make him not a TAG?

Anyhow, questions:
1. Villain's tendencies on the flop; and in particular, how often he cbets with reckless abandon. This is not a good board to cbet hoping to fold people out, so a prudent player cbets here with equity. How prudent is he? And if he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, does he get stubborn? If he's a normal, everyday TAG, and not too bright, he bet/folds here sometimes. If he calls too much -- or if he calls just the right amount of the time -- you can get yourself in trouble here.
2. Your image. How do you play your monsters? And how do you play your monster draws? How often do you flat in the SB? What has he seen you flat with?

Depending on the answers, you can make an argument for a check-raise or a c/c here. But, I don't like either one very much. Too easy to make a hand worth defending with given this board, and the sort of hands actual real-life TAGs play out of the CO.

Another way of looking at it is, you have a combo draw, that's an opportunity to make a hand and have him pay you off. Problem is, there's a good probability that you'll make a hand and wind up paying him off. No es bueno.

Why would he want to do that?