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OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep

10-16-2023 , 02:50 PM
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V1: On my direct left. $600ish Has been kind of gambly, putting on BTN straddles and was raising them vs. limpers. Has an open limp range, seems to raise big a lot with good hands. Feels like he thinks we are in a battle, but I think he's mostly annoyed that I'm raising too much and only playing good hands ... so he can't play his normal game. He was calling a lot in the SB when I opened, has maybe tightened up a bit, but has also 3bet my opens a couple of times in position (to big sizes). I get the impression he's 3betting merged, just wider than he would vs. a lot of people (but might just be running hot for good starting hands).

Hero covers the $600ish, has probably got an above average amount of good hands ... but shown more than a few of them, at showdown and even when folding. Shown one A4o hand as a BTN open over a limper, which maybe tilted V1 when it won at showdown. Also one 98o hand that open raised CO and hit JTxQ, bet flop and x/r turn.

9 handed
Folds to Hero in CO who sees JJ and opens to 8
V1 (BTN) 3bets to $40
Folds to hero who has folded good hands to this huge sizing before, but lol folding JJ ... esp. as the 8 might look weak, as I'd often opened to 12 a lot (due to limpers, or position, etc.). Technically we have odds vs. AA/KK/QQ but it'll also to be hard to fold on T high flops.

Pot: $83 - 7
Flop: JT7r
hero checks
V1 checks

All skill this game, just call huge 3bets and flop the relative nuts.

Turn: JT7 9
hero bets $45
V1 raises to $165
hero thinks a bit and calls

I think bet is std. ... board favours me a lot now and he checked flop, KK/QQ that decided to check back flop now can't fold etc. maybe AK/AQ calling too.
V1 raises, I'm pretty sure he's repping KQ and not overplaying QQ/KK ... but I also don't think he has it that much. Maybe he 3bets it sometimes (maybe even all 16 combos. vs. me), but does he then ever check behind flop with it? Maybe, but I also have outs so let's see a river (assuming nobody is folding turn).
I can't remember if I had the Jd, mainly because I didn't think much about it at the time. Also assume he basically never has an 8. Didn't think much about him having TT/99 either.


Pot: $406 ($330+$83-$7)
Turn: JT79 2x
hero checks
V1 bets $225
hero isn't surprised by the bet, but kind of surprised by the size. Doesn't think more than a couple of seconds about anything other than calling.


Feel free to comment on anything.
OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep Quote
10-16-2023 , 03:52 PM
pre should mix calling and 4 betting. i probably 4bet more than call

i'd check turn and let him bluff

as played river idk, it looks like you arent folding and hes betting a value sizing. honestly probably is a fold although i dont think i could do it in practice. sure looks like villain has KQ, 88 or A8s a lot.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 10-16-2023 at 04:03 PM.
OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep Quote
10-16-2023 , 03:55 PM
Fine with everything, as long as we call the River. We’re just way too high in our range to ever fold here. (Even if you don’t think he ever turns QQ or KK into a bluff here, he could be value-owning himself with lower sets here.)
OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep Quote
10-16-2023 , 04:19 PM
The river looks like a value bet more than a bluff especially since hero just called a c/r ott (does he think hero's folding to a hp bet otr after calling his c/r?) Would he value bet thin with two pair or sets? Mot people would just table their hand if they think they have SDV or maybe he had snow men but since we called the turn I can't see how we can fold rn otr.

I'm also flatting pre since we have odds to do it but if we were shallower I would either 4bet/c (if I was satisfied he's doing this because he thinks we're light) or just fold pre especially if I've never seen what he's 3bet with in the past. If he's been tightening up his range against hero I would still fold pre even at 100/200 bb's.
OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep Quote
10-20-2023 , 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
pre should mix calling and 4 betting. i probably 4bet more than call

i'd check turn and let him bluff

as played river idk, it looks like you arent folding and hes betting a value sizing. honestly probably is a fold although i dont think i could do it in practice. sure looks like villain has KQ, 88 or A8s a lot.
With 200bb deep robots are mostly 3bet or fold and 3betting 88/A8s/KQo/KQs close to always (most calls with 88). With 400bb the main change is calling a lot more with A8s and close to always with KQs. But I didn't think V was doing anything close to either of those, wouldn't be shocked if he never has A8s or 88.

With 200bb deep robots JJ 4bets about 90% and with 400bb about 10%.

Also noting that robot opens are 2.5x and 3bet is 3.3x, whereas we had 4x and 5x.


I think I'm more likely to x/r a non-9 on the turn, but it might well be better anyway.


Results:
Spoiler:
Hero calls quickly, V turns over AQo no diamond
OOP JJ on JT792 in 3bet pot, deep Quote

      
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