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03-24-2020 , 03:08 PM
Game: 2/5 live
Eff Stack: $800
Hand: AK
Villian: Very wealthy, splashy whale. Will randomly spazz out and call 2k preflop with 7-2off for fun, but doesn't make a habbit of playing that crazy. Loves calling with unsuspected draws and in general bets large amounts with a polarized range and trys to get to showdown with his marginal hands.
OTTH

Hero raises to 35 from early position (it's a loose game game late at night with people who want to gamble)
Villian (straddled to 10) calls on button

Pot $75
flop: QJ5

Hero bets $35
My main concern is getting middle pairs to fold along with all of his random hands that didn't conenct with this flop which is a big part of his range. He's not folding a one pair hand anyways, so might as well make the bet size small.

If he calls just give up on any non spade, A, K or 10 turn.

Villian calls
Pot $145

Turn: 8

Hero bets $125

Villain raises to $300

Pot is $575 and it is 275 for Hero to call

Hero calls. I don't see a point in raising here because he's never folding.

Pot $745
River: A

Hero checks, Villain goes all in for $425

I think this is a situation given the villain type it doesn't matter too much what I do on the river as it's probably close to 50/50 since i need to win less than a quarter of the time, but a few questions on the turn:

- Against a tighter player who raises the same amount or a little more, should I ever fold here since i'm out of position and would it change if i was in position?
- Against this villain or a looser villian that isn't a whale, just loose, should i ever go all in on the turn after being raised?
- If we were $2,000 deep and I'm raised to $300 on the turn is a call standard? It just seems sucky to call and then have a blank hit the river 75% of the time when I'm out of position

Thanks for any help
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03-24-2020 , 04:41 PM
Unless there is a typo on the turn after he raises *to* 300 shouldn't it be 175 to call? Makes the call pretty much trivial because you have 4+9 = 13 clean outs to the nuts = ~26% equity and the pot odds are ~3:1. So imo you should never fold (given implied odds, esp if a T hits) even if you assume your A and K outs are dead.

Please clarify.

EDIT: I see a lot of players (used to do it myself too) just count the pot and raise that amount when they raise turn and river. This is often a smallish bet when it gets back to the opponent. You need to "pot it" the way it works in pot limit games to offer 2:1 to the opponent, which is to say you first "call" the opponents bet then add the size of the pot after you've called. Feels like that's kind of what is happening here.

Last edited by Mr.Luckbox; 03-24-2020 at 04:48 PM.
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03-24-2020 , 04:45 PM
Honestly I think your problem was the flop bet. This hits his range harder than yours. I’d check here and give the fish an opportunity to give you a free card or better yet see what he does. Taking this line would make it easier to bink your hand on the turn or continue with the draw. When the 8 hits while it now sets you up for the draw it also still smacks his range including allowing the straight to get there.

Villains willing to stack off against with anything including what you mention was 72o for fun means I’m cbetting less and value betting more. As played I think the river is a clear fold even having the TPTK, there’s so many combos that have you beat including a lot of the straights.
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03-25-2020 , 02:00 PM
Do you think we could check/fold on the flop here? If he bets we need a A,K,10 or a Spade, but a King gives 9,10 a straight, k-j and KQ two pair, an Ace makes some two pair hands for V as well and brings in K-10 so we're not exactly loving it out of position and there are defintiley better spots to call in.

If it checks through maybe barrel large on any turn that is a spade, A,K or 10?
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03-26-2020 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaGlades
Do you think we could check/fold on the flop here? If he bets we need a A,K,10 or a Spade, but a King gives 9,10 a straight, k-j and KQ two pair, an Ace makes some two pair hands for V as well and brings in K-10 so we're not exactly loving it out of position and there are defintiley better spots to call in.

If it checks through maybe barrel large on any turn that is a spade, A,K or 10?
Honestly against this villain who doesn’t get out of line to often on the flop/turn etc yeah. I’m picking a better spot

Last edited by Bigpants; 03-26-2020 at 01:20 AM. Reason: Shortest response
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03-26-2020 , 07:22 AM
I like $60 pre here. Doesn't like the type of guy that's gonna fold his $10 button straddle IP with anything suited+.

I don't like flop. I don't want to range bet 1/3--1/4 vs this guy as he may spazz out but no point in betting too large. So instead of betting somewhere in the middle, I thinking x/eval is best.

AP turn is a clear check vs this guy after he called 1/2 pot on a rainbow baord. No idea why we're betting almost pot.

AP call, whatever. We shouldn't be in this spot.

AP snap folding river. 9-10 got there ott and K-10 got there otr. Those were the only two draws otf. We're beating almost nothing after the flop call as I doubt he has very many spade combos to semi bluff turn with.
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03-26-2020 , 08:37 PM
agree with RoadToPro with the exception that $60 pre is unnecessarily large
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