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Old 1/3 hand, still on my mind at times. Old 1/3 hand, still on my mind at times.

08-06-2010 , 08:44 AM
I was at aria earlier in the year. The night before we are supposed to leave, what else to do but gamble all night before the 4 hour drive home.

Vil-young 2p2, name drops, says he lives in panorama towers, dealers know him and says something about being a reg at 5/10. For whatever reason hes not playing 2/5 and I was on list but got stuck a lil so I decided to stay. Very LAG and seems very good as well. He is also sitting to my right.

History-He beats my trips with a flush. I defend when I can, he makes 25 on BTN when 1-2 limp to him, makes it like 20 in MP or CO with a tighter range and sometimes even bets 15, basically balances ranges yadda yadda.

2 critical things on my mind for this hand.

He once led out with trips, everyone folds, he shows in disgust. like 3-4 hours befoe this hand happened.

On one hand I was SB, he makes BTN bet of 25, i call with 10-9. Flop is Q hi, I lead out 25, he calls, I lead out again 50 he says Im VB him and he folds. I dont show him anything.

Eff stacks 350, Vi has about 1k.

I just took a hand down not too long ago by 3bet AK PF and winning SD.

Vil makes it 20 from MP, I call from CO with AKo and tight older man calls from BTN. (i thought of 3betting PF but I havent 3betted that much, i wanted to keep Vils whole range in here)

POT-60

FLOP A Q 8

Vil leads out 60, i call and old man folds.

Turn A Q 8 6

Vil leads out 120.

What do i do here? The 2 points raced thru my mind but I also know how LAG he is.
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08-06-2010 , 09:11 AM
I hate it, but I think you have to call down. Maybe you can get away on the river, if he bet's a lot more than 1/2 pot. Was he river betting air often?
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08-06-2010 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by warlockjd
I hate it, but I think you have to call down. Maybe you can get away on the river, if he bet's a lot more than 1/2 pot. Was he river betting air often?
whenever he went to show down he had the nuts except once when he called an AI on turn with a monster draw that didnt hit.
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08-06-2010 , 10:09 AM
Yeah tough spot but I'm calling down. Your hand is under-represented because he just saw you 3-bet ak so he could easily be trying to barrell you off a weak ace. I call with the intention of calling almost any river. (the pot will be 300 and you'll only have 150 behind)
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08-06-2010 , 12:33 PM
If you're good on the flop, turn is a brick (unless he made some totally weird 2 pair hand), so calling down seems like the best line? But, if we are calling down on the river (which we should if we call the turn... making the pot ~$420 with only $150 behind) no matter what it comes, could we look back and say it would be best to fold the turn rather than stack off with TPTK against what could easily be top 2?

I would fold here, given your read that villain is taking premium hands to showdown, and his bet sizing says he is ready to go to showdown with you. (what makes you think he is bluffing here?)
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08-06-2010 , 04:21 PM
Don't think its that hard of a spot. Call down all the way.
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08-06-2010 , 05:06 PM
i ended up folding. I guess to me the donk into 2 people was the part that got me scared. not donling into me but rather the old man on the BTN who almost never played a hand before he got involved with us.

I mean what can the old man call with right there or me without an A?

I remember before leaving i asked what he had he said 66. I dont if i believe him. I talked to others some said he probably had AJ or A10 and a few said he had to been stronger then 1 pair.

I guess the hand itself isnt the most interesting hand but i remember after that hand i realized i had a lot more to learn and was actually a bit proud of myself that i was able to laydown TPTK like that even though it might have been wrong.
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08-06-2010 , 06:04 PM
Personal choice but I can't fold TPTK to two bets with a flop like that and when not super deep. Imo folding is just seeing monsters no matter who the opponent is.
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08-06-2010 , 06:05 PM
This spot is gross because the Q is on the board, and AQ is certainly in his range. I call down considering the effective stack size.
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08-06-2010 , 06:05 PM
This is exactly why I hate calling bets pre with AK or AQ. If you compound that by calling on the flop neither he nor thee will really know what the hell is going on.
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08-06-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jolyroger
This is exactly why I hate calling bets pre with AK or AQ. If you compound that by calling on the flop neither he nor thee will really know what the hell is going on.
you should raise to see where you're at... duh
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