Hay

table is drunk and friendly

HERO/MP(450) Young 20s white, solid winning image no notable hands or meta

V1/BB(450) some kinda black or maybe Hispanic 20s male fairly kinda taggy

V2/MP+1(450) MAWG passive sort of guy.

UTG opens to 6
HERO flats 88

5 other flats

6way
FLOP(36) 588

V1 leads 11
HERO flats
V2 flats behind

3way
TURN(69) J

V1 leads 25
HERO?

$65.
He has to be on some sort of solid combo draw or a 55 full house if hes taggy and comtinuing to barrel into two players on a paired board.

As a result we want the pot to be large enough on the river to at least give us the chance to play for stacks with 2 bets, and even if we don't get stacks, we want to be able to put in large bets ($150+ size bets). But we also don't want to go so large that we blow V1 out of the water here.

And it still gives V2 the illusion of not terrible odds to continue if he thinks that we have an A8 type hand.

I would tend to just flat and give V more rope to hang himself with. If V leads the river, he thinks he's good, so I would raise 4x or 5x and see if he REALLY likes his hand. If V checks, I would over bet the pot. ($175ish)

Raise to 65 as above poster said. If hes bluffing, hes probably going to slow down after the river anyway. Doubt hes triple barrelling with air. If hes chasing, 65 is small enough that hell prob toss in the 40 more thinking there is a big pot to be won vs ur 8 if he hits. Make him pay at least a little now so he cant get out relatively unharmed if the river is a blank for him

As played, raise to 65 is good. Raise more if you can't harbor hopes of bringing V2 along.

But most importantly, put in a normal raise on the flop to build a pot against draws. There are no value hands that are going to pay off significantly, but there are a lot of draws that aren't folding. Get some money in so you can stack them if they hit and get paid off even if they don't.

Grunch.

Raise the flop, not too big though, like $25ish. Go from there. As played raise the turn. you got the absolute blade, how are you going to get stacks in if you keep flatting?

I like the 65 raise on the turn, Small enough for either flush draw to call

I completely disagree with raising the flop, I want 22+ to have a shot to turn a boat and get stacks in

I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of him double barreling here with his suited hearts or spades + overs. This sizing could be a name your price cheap get-to-river bet.

In fact I think this sizing is more indicative of a hand of that type than our value 55 hand. With 55 I'd put at least one opponent on an 8 here and I'd bet at least 40 trying to build a pot. With two people calling the flop thats sorta like having a 1.5x or 2x chance of someone having a strong second best hand vs heads-up. Further, draws could very well make the same decision facing either 25 or 40 so we get that extra value too.


I so rarely slow play but I'm flatting here. We want it going 3 ways to the river so one of these cats can catch whatever they are chasing . . . a raise looks so strong even if we minraise it folds out like everything but specifically 55. Or at least I think it should.

EDIT: Actually I reread OP if table is drunk and friendly then make the raise on turn.

i would flat to keep v2 in...

Raise flop and/or turn tiny. Build a pot to put the hammer down otr.