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I never do the ipod and rarely the hoodie thing

that's just making yourself a target and completely ignoring free info

having a ipad and watching vids is equally as ******ed

Never wore a hoodie. I have a vampire beanie though

06-04-2012 , 12:34 PM

#17452

SeaUlater

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I play mostly in game full of regulars, and in such case, I find normal chatters to be more distracting than informational.

06-04-2012 , 12:40 PM

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1ns71nct

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaUlater

I play mostly in game full of regulars, and in such case, I find normal chatters to be more distracting than informational.

Especially if they talk poker, how ****ing annoying is that

06-04-2012 , 12:54 PM

#17454

1ns71nct

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....taking off all week, next weekend, studying dutch and going rock climbing next weekend.

Current BR:8800ish

I can smell the 2/5

06-04-2012 , 12:54 PM

#17455

fold4once

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Quote:

Originally Posted by venice10

I'll just note that you can't do this if you've got earbuds in and have your hoodie up. If you don't look like you want someone to talk to you, people won't.

I'm pretty decent at being a fungi at the table and getting people to open up about their holdings, etc. But I'm always trying to get more information I can use; generally seeming like the rec player like you're saying.

I guess I should have been more clear what I meant by "logistics." What I was really asking is how someone can "point out" the regs and basically sit there and profile everyone at the table.... Without someone overhearing and possibly getting offended or becoming aware of their image at the table or some other negative effect. Do you know what I mean?

06-04-2012 , 12:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fold4once

I have had regs point me to the action players/whales/fish, never the opposite. Usually a turn around fake out to look at other tables but end up whispering in my ear. So romantic.

I have only been to that casino twice and both times it happened. Guess they didnt want his money, glad I did.

06-04-2012 , 01:03 PM

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Anyone else experimenting 4-bet bluffing?

Had a straight forward tag last night limp behind the utg limper, I make it 20 from the button,utg calls, tag limper makes it 75, hero makes it 225.

Hero had T9 suited

I advise this if you dont have an over agressive image in lp against tags or an agressive image due to iso limpers, which I did not.

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06-04-2012 , 01:07 PM

#17458

11t

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well your actual hand is basically worthless in value since you should be 4-bet folding

I think its fine if you have a decent image. I'm assuming villain had like AQ/AK.

06-04-2012 , 01:09 PM

#17459

SeaUlater

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It's rare that you'll find a player that recognizes your range being wider on the button to 3-bet light.

In LLSNL, there's no such thing as 4-bet bluff...

06-04-2012 , 01:11 PM

#17460

1ns71nct

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

well your actual hand is basically worthless in value since you should be 4-bet folding

I think its fine if you have a decent image. I'm assuming villain had like AQ/AK.

If you do not have the agressive iso or lp raiser image, it is fine in most cases.

First time I did it, villain snap folded.

06-04-2012 , 01:12 PM

#17461

11t

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Okay seaulater you were just insulting DHCG for saying you should never open KTos UTG, which is completely true since you have 0 information about people behind you and never to use absolutes. However, you are now claiming you should never 4-bet bluff when there are legitimate spots where it is acceptable.

Can you please be intellectually honest?

06-04-2012 , 01:13 PM

#17462

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ns71nct

If you do not have the agressive iso or lp raiser image, it is fine in most cases.

First time I did it, villain snap folded.

Even with an LP raiser image it probably isn't terrible since people will still give you credit if you are a winning player, you just can't be viewed as a spew monkey.

06-04-2012 , 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

Even with an LP raiser image it probably isn't terrible since people will still give you credit if you are a winning player, you just can't be viewed as a spew monkey.

Yeah I hesitated one time, but I was positive he was bluffing and I didnt pull the trigger. I did this time though

Hell if you are really deep, their is even instances you could 6-bet bluff, takes balls.

06-04-2012 , 01:22 PM

#17464

11t

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Lol, if you are at a table where somebody else has a 4-bet bluffing range, my advice is to switch tables.

06-04-2012 , 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

Lol, if you are at a table where somebody else has a 4-bet bluffing range, my advice is to switch tables.

2 whales with 2 rebuys behind each, nahhh. No way.

06-04-2012 , 01:28 PM

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Ps, since I have played 1/2, I would say the key to crushing for medium 20s-to high 20s /hr is table selection and strictly value bet sizing.

When I played online, I was constantly selecting, in ring games, Stt sng and husng. Just because it is live, the selecting dont stop.

06-04-2012 , 01:32 PM

#17467

11t

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eh, my big issue with table selection is more along stack sizes. If I am playing 1/2 or 1/3 I'd prefer a deep stacked game with moderate to bad players than a short stacked game filled with donkeys.

06-04-2012 , 01:34 PM

#17468

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

eh, my big issue with table selection is more along stack sizes. If I am playing 1/2 or 1/3 I'd prefer a deep stacked game with moderate to bad players than a short stacked game filled with donkeys.

I start with the deepest tables and narrow which is best for value.

If it is looking like they are nitting up I dont even mind just sitting at a table with everyone at 100bb and they are donks, I just clean them out and hope a donk stacks somebody tougher than them.

06-04-2012 , 01:35 PM

#17469

SeaUlater

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

Can you please be intellectually honest?

To myself, yes, to say things in this thread, probably not.

There are more instances to limp UTG with KTo than there are to 4-bet bluff, and obviously I didn't mean never because I had already provided my reasoning as to how it is possible but very rare.

06-04-2012 , 01:36 PM

#17470

11t

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A game has to be especially good for me to limp KTo UTG. I mean like almost never a 3-bet where the entire table is seeing every flop and even then its real real marginal.

06-04-2012 , 01:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

A game has to be especially good for me to limp KTo UTG. I mean like almost never a 3-bet where the entire table is seeing every flop and even then its real real marginal.

Entire table seeing flops, calling weak holdings vs my obvious 2p+.

06-04-2012 , 01:38 PM

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I always feel most people will benefit more opening their LP range compared to EP

You have to be able to fold Top pairs if you limp those hands. You cant call K28, flops with KT

06-04-2012 , 01:39 PM

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What about this scenario. If the entire table is occupied by nits except two whales, which you purposely situated to your right, then it is very reasonable to play KTo UTG.

06-04-2012 , 01:41 PM

#17474

1ns71nct

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaUlater

What about this scenario. If the entire table is occupied by nits except two whales, which you purposely situated to your right, then it is very reasonable to play KTo UTG.

Sounds rare, but yeah I will limp it