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04-16-2012 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
One effect of the starting fare (whether intended or not) is that it reduces the incentive to keep you in the cab. The drivers have incentive to collect as many starting fares as they can.

At the current level, it probably isn't large enough to affect behavior. But as the starting fare increases, it would have a larger effect on behavior and at some point it would be more profitable to get to the destination as fast as possible to begin your wait to get the next customer rather than taking a longer route.

I don't really feel like figuring at what that point would be and it would probably involve too high of a starting fare to be realistic (because cab drivers face pretty long wait times in between fares especially at the airport), but the point is that it would at some point have an effect on behavior.

The whole point is that though the wait time doesn't change if they long-haul you, the time between the collection of starting fares increases, which if starting fares are sufficiently large long0hauling will be -EV.
this is what i learned in vegas about how to deal with cab drivers when you get picked up at McCarran:
mention the $3000 fine, and the taxi authority if they want to take the freeway.
then tell them that you are some sucker chump from out of town, have at it.
they straighten up and fly right real quick.

A rich fish at Aria was telling me about his $60 cab rides from the airport, and I was telling him how to handle, and he was a little crest-fallen about having been taken (apparently numerous times), and I said something like "there are a lot of predatory people around vegas, you have to keep your guard up";
and the dealer winked at me and chuckled.
04-16-2012 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I didn't say I was equivalent to phil ivey wtf. But I learn from the pros. I study their bet sizing, lines they take and hands that they play.

Poker is like sports. You can learn from them by watching them or hh of their play. Nobody play's better poker then the pros. If you can't learn from them who do you learn from? That's why most live players don't improve. They think: "well they play higher stakes I can't do what they do". Which is totally wrong imo.
Unless your playing 500BB deep against thinking players, the same strategy won't work at the level you play at.
04-16-2012 , 06:32 PM
Phil Ivey: two hands [x]
Pokah Blows: two hands [x]

Phil Ivey: two eyes [x]
Pokah Blows: two eyes [x]

Phil Ivey: one nose [x]
Pokah Blows: one nose [x]

Phil Ivey: two ears [x]
Pokah blows: two ears [ ]

so, they are almost the same.
it's close.
04-16-2012 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stampler
Phil Ivey: two hands [x]
Pokah Blows: two hands [x]

Phil Ivey: two eyes [x]
Pokah Blows: two eyes [x]

Phil Ivey: one nose [x]
Pokah Blows: one nose [x]

Phil Ivey: two ears [x]
Pokah blows: two ears [ ]

so, they are almost the same.
it's close.
[X] Excellent use of check boxes imo.
04-16-2012 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by High Time John
Unless your playing 500BB deep against thinking players, the same strategy won't work at the level you play at.
This is the misconception of a lot of players about hs.

First off, they don't always play 500bbs deep. Majority of the time they are 100-200bbs deep. Which is always my range of stack sizes.

Second, the pros don't always play against competent players. Plenty of fish at all levels. Especially hs, they play against rich fish who don't play optimal.

My point is, don't level yourself into thinking you can't learn from them. Its no limit holdem. Same game different stakes. A fullhouse, flush, straight, 2pair, trips, sets, 2pair and Tp is still the same hand on all levels.

I guess you won't understand my advice I'm giving you. Hopefully one day you will realize, I hope.

Gl
04-16-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Plenty of fish at all levels.

I don't think so.
04-16-2012 , 06:40 PM
if you actually learn to listen to what ppl are telling you, and to really take it to heart, you could spend 1% of the time you do on the forum, and be getting more out of it.
my guess is that its one of your biggest leaks, PB.
hemorrage may be a better word?

btw, the check boxes were sarcasm.

we are about as close to PI as a little kid on training wheels is to Lance Armstrong.
get a grip.
04-16-2012 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
This is the misconception of a lot of players about hs.

First off, they don't always play 500bbs deep. Majority of the time they are 100-200bbs deep. Which is always my range of stack sizes.

Second, the pros don't always play against competent players. Plenty of fish at all levels. Especially hs, they play against rich fish who don't play optimal.

My point is, don't level yourself into thinking you can't learn from them. Its no limit holdem. Same game different stakes. A fullhouse, flush, straight, 2pair, trips, sets, 2pair and Tp is still the same hand on all levels.

I guess you won't understand my advice I'm giving you. Hopefully one day you will realize, I hope.

Gl
Wait, wait, wait. The bolded is BS, as you always harp about how the 60BB BI structure hurts your winrate. You might be at 100-200 BBs, but according to your whining, the table isn't.
04-16-2012 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by High Time John
I don't think so.
You either don't study the pros or never heard any stories of the pros.

Quite frankly I think your too old to change your ways. I'm one of a kind on these boards. I'm a scorpio so I'm not a follower. I'm clearly a leader and would never follow in your foot steps.

Stampler

[x] Wears hawaiian shirts

[x] Thinks you can't study the pros.

[x] Thinks pokahblows is a fish.

[x] Agrees with Tommy Angelo on all levels.

[x] Poker playing poet.

[x] Thinks his advice is gold.

[x] Levels himself.
04-16-2012 , 06:52 PM
it's part of the code of being a surfer that you don't teach anyone else how to surf.
which makes sense; with crowded surf conditions, and waves becoming an ever scarcer commodity, creating more surfers is the equivalent of a sin. it's a no-no.
still, there are exceptions....
you can teach a hot chick how to surf. that never hurts the situation.

So, as poker players, with the games getting tougher, shouldn't we be adopting the 'surfers code'??
this is been the status quo at HS, where you rarely see actual strategy being divulged on the forums.

maybe Pokah Blows qualifies as a 'hot chick' in the poker scene, and it's not a big deal to teach him how to play. It won't hurt the situation.
he won't listen, anyways.

he is, however, getting better at trolling.
good job, grasshopper.
04-16-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Wait, wait, wait. The bolded is BS, as you always harp about how the 60BB BI structure hurts your winrate. You might be at 100-200 BBs, but according to your whining, the table isn't.
I was talking about when I open up my game. I play super tight because of the structure. Then when I get to 100bbs+, I play like a true pro.
04-16-2012 , 06:53 PM
FYI PB, I play a 40bb effective game very regularly and I beat the crap out of it. Instead of complaining how the structure sucks, I learned to beat it.
04-16-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows

[x] Agrees with Tommy Angelo on all levels.

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04-16-2012 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
FYI PB, I play a 40bb effective game very regularly and I beat the crap out of it. Instead of complaining how the structure sucks, I learned to beat it.
I been beating my game for 3 years now. Only adjustment I need to make is a life adjustment. And I won't discuss those variables.
04-16-2012 , 06:58 PM
So what's with the whining?
04-16-2012 , 06:59 PM
Some people will never become great players. Why? Because they don't think its possible. Like ray lewis says "If your fine with being mediocre in life then you have already lost".
04-16-2012 , 06:59 PM
PB reminds me of the little kids in my karate class. They don't pay attention and the instructor regularly makes class miserable for them, hoping they will drop out. But they are too young to 'get it'.
04-16-2012 , 07:00 PM
Who is the instructor?
04-16-2012 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stampler
it's part of the code of being a surfer that you don't teach anyone else how to surf.
which makes sense; with crowded surf conditions, and waves becoming an ever scarcer commodity, creating more surfers is the equivalent of a sin. it's a no-no.
still, there are exceptions....
you can teach a hot chick how to surf. that never hurts the situation.

So, as poker players, with the games getting tougher, shouldn't we be adopting the 'surfers code'??
this is been the status quo at HS, where you rarely see actual strategy being divulged on the forums.

maybe Pokah Blows qualifies as a 'hot chick' in the poker scene, and it's not a big deal to teach him how to play. It won't hurt the situation.
he won't listen, anyways.

he is, however, getting better at trolling.
good job, grasshopper.
There's a large enough player pool that helping people here hasn't effected me at all. And it helps you improve to talk about poker with people and see other people's thoughts on your thoughts.

I do think we should create a level forum where we direct all the new people and tell them the advice there is good.
04-16-2012 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Who is the instructor?
I rest my case...
04-16-2012 , 07:03 PM
PB has overtaken APD in chat posts. APD will need to change his under title.
04-16-2012 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Who is the instructor?
Head instructor at Cobra Kai.
04-16-2012 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaUlater
So what's with the whining?
I told HTJ that ivey has a loose passive gear. Because he was complaining about l/c owning him. "They don't have the odds to do that", "they can't call pot size bets to draw". I was basically saying you can't control how people play and he needs to learn from his villains.

He told me that phil ivey can play a loose passive game because he plays hs. Which is really funny to me.
04-16-2012 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Some people will never become great players. Why? Because they don't think its possible. Like ray lewis says "If your fine with being mediocre in life then you have already lost".
you can't just want it PB, that's not enough.
i do agree that that hunger, and will to be excellent is indispensable.
you can't do without that and get anywhere.

but... without doing the work nothing is guaranteed to happen.
I would say work ethic, and discipline are the number 1, and number 2 qualities to have.
then mental toughness, memory, and then desire, or drive, or whatever you want to call it.
having that doesn't necessarily mean that you have the work ethic, and discipline to pull it off.
that is the true common denominator of accomplished players who have stuck around : work ethic. you can't get there from here without it.
all the other qualities, you can find a way around, or just be handicapped in that one quality, and hope the others make up for it. (my weak point is mental toughness, but my memory, and work ethic hopefully make up for it).
If you are weak on work ethic, though; game over.

tbh, PB, you talk a lot of talk, but i don't see a lot of evidence of you putting in a lot of work.
you are kind of standing still. you should be improving more than you are, it seems?
lay off the talk, and put your nose to the grind stone instead, imo.
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Last edited by stampler; 04-16-2012 at 07:12 PM.
04-16-2012 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I told HTJ that ivey has a loose passive gear. Because he was complaining about l/c owning him. "They don't have the odds to do that", "they can't call pot size bets to draw". I was basically saying you can't control how people play and he needs to learn from his villains.

He told me that phil ivey can play a loose passive game because he plays hs. Which is really funny to me.
I love how you got so many facts wrong in one short paragraph. You are really cute!

      
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